Let's see YOUR track Evo
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From: somewhere testing various tires, brakes, and suspensions.
ATE does have that great of a wet boiling point.
One track that i seem to always have brake issues at is Blackhawk Farms. I've managed to boil fresh motul600 and ATE, once losing brakes and going off at turn 7 and the other time lost brakes in the pits right after getting off track. Both times were on a full street car, full interior and near the 300whp mark.
IMO:
ATE or Motul- work good for some LIGHT track use and autocross
SRF or Endless- The best, heavy track use.
One track that i seem to always have brake issues at is Blackhawk Farms. I've managed to boil fresh motul600 and ATE, once losing brakes and going off at turn 7 and the other time lost brakes in the pits right after getting off track. Both times were on a full street car, full interior and near the 300whp mark.
IMO:
ATE or Motul- work good for some LIGHT track use and autocross
SRF or Endless- The best, heavy track use.
DRY boiling is the biggest concern. But hey, if you want to spend $80/L on SRF - more power to you. ATE/Amsoil/Motul are great too.
Ducts, ducts, cooling, ducts - makes/keeps brakes happy.
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From: somewhere testing various tires, brakes, and suspensions.
There is my big stuck thread in wheel and tire on brakes and pads too.
More on it:
http://www.afcoracing.com/tech_pages/fluid.shtml
Again, wet boiling point is when there is up to 3% water in the system. If you race...you best be changing/bleeding on a regular schedule anyway. Should be little to no water in the system. Unless you did the bled in the rain.
Last edited by Smike; Jun 5, 2012 at 11:38 AM.
well all i can say is, bleeding ATE fluid every 2 sessions (20 mins) and it still would fade. SRF i bleed once every 2 track days (8, 20 min sessions) and haven't had any issues since. the amount of ate i cycled through easily cost as much if not more than how much srf i use. my .02 and real world personal experience, not just looking at numbers on paper..
i would say if your (anybody's) pad/fluid is not giving you any issues then just stick with it. "don't fix it if it "aint broke". huge +1 on proper ducting though!
i would say if your (anybody's) pad/fluid is not giving you any issues then just stick with it. "don't fix it if it "aint broke". huge +1 on proper ducting though!
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From: somewhere testing various tires, brakes, and suspensions.
are we going to start arguing about brake fluid coming in plastic bottles too? Lol
Brake fluid is cheap. I use ATE currently because my car see’s one lap at a time, not 20. If it did, I’d use SRF.
Brake fluid is cheap. I use ATE currently because my car see’s one lap at a time, not 20. If it did, I’d use SRF.
And the color of the bottles. 
Bro come on...it's blue vs yellow...hardly the same! lol
I'll be running motul rbf600 this weekend on 8 30 min sessions, hopefully things work out. I'm hardly the best driver, but I've gotten pretty decent with a Miata, trying my hand at the evo this round.
I'll be running motul rbf600 this weekend on 8 30 min sessions, hopefully things work out. I'm hardly the best driver, but I've gotten pretty decent with a Miata, trying my hand at the evo this round.
haha yeah sorry about that, one last piece of cool info i just found this AM.
Arranged by Dry
DRY:401F -- WET:284F --- DOT3 MINIMUM (GLYCOL BASE)
DRY:446F -- WET:311F --- DOT4 MINIMUM (GLYCOL BASE)
DRY:500F -- WET:356F --- DOT5 MINIMUM (SILICONE BASE)
DRY:500F -- WET:356F --- DOT5.1 MINIMUM (GLYCOL BASE)
DRY:500F -- WET:???F --- FORD HEAVY DUTY DOT 3 PM-1C (new since 2006)
DRY:527F -- WET:302F --- AP RACING 551 ($12.799/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:527F -- WET:347F --- VALVOLINE SYNPOWER DOT3 & DOT4
DRY:536F -- WET:388F --- ATE SUPERBLUE/TYP200 ($13.99/1L)
DRY:550F -- WET:284F --- FORD HEAVY DUTY DOT 3 PM-1 (pre 2006) ($4/12 OZ)
DRY:570F -- WET:284F --- WILWOOD 570 ($7.95/12 OZ)
DRY:570F -- WET:284F --- PERFORMANCE Friction Z rated ($6.27/16 OZ)
DRY:572F -- WET:410F --- AP RACING 600 ($19.95/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:590F -- WET:???F --- TILTON TBR-1 ($11.95/0.25L) (new since 2006)
DRY:590F -- WET:518F --- CASTROL SRF ($74.99/1.0L 0R 33.8 OZ)
DRY:593F -- WET:421F --- MOTUL RBF 600 ($15.99/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:601F -- WET:399F --- BREMBO LCF 600 PLUS ($19.95/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:608F -- WET:390F --- AP RACING PRF660 ($29.95/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:610F -- WET:421F --- NEO SYNTHETICS SUPER DOT 610 ($11.95/12 OZ)
DRY:613F -- WET:424F --- ENDLESS RF-650 ($33.00/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:617F -- WET:399F --- MOTUL RBF 660 ($28.99/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:617F -- WET:383F --- PFC RH665($28.99/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:622F -- WET:???F --- TILTON TSR-1 ($17.95/0.25L) (new since 2006)
DRY:626F -- WET:???F --- FERODO FSF050 Super Race Brake Fluid ($39.99/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:626F -- WET:417F --- WILWOOD EXP 600 ($18.99/0.5L 16.9 OZ)
DRY:635F -- WET:???F --- BREMBO HTC 64T ($32.00/0.5L 16.9 OZ)
DRY:635F -- WET:430F --- PROJECT MU G/FOUR 335 ($45.00/1.0L 33.8 OZ)
DRY:683F -- WET:439F --- PROSPEED RS683 ($39.99/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
Arranged by Wet
DRY:500F -- WET:???F --- FORD HEAVY DUTY DOT 3 PM-1C (new since 2006)
DRY:590F -- WET:???F --- TILTON TBR-1 ($11.95/0.25L) (new since 2006)
DRY:622F -- WET:???F --- TILTON TSR-1 ($17.95/0.25L) (new since 2006)
DRY:626F -- WET:???F --- FERODO FSF050 Super Race Brake Fluid (new since 2009)
DRY:635F -- WET:???F --- BREMBO HTC 64T
DRY:401F -- WET:284F --- DOT3 MINIMUM
DRY:570F -- WET:284F --- WILWOOD 570
DRY:570F -- WET:284F --- PERFORMANCE Friction Z rated
DRY:550F -- WET:284F --- FORD HEAVY DUTY DOT 3
DRY:527F -- WET:302F --- AP RACING 551
DRY:446F -- WET:311F --- DOT4 MINIMUM
DRY:527F -- WET:347F --- VALVOLINE SYNPOWER DOT3 & DOT4
DRY:500F -- WET:356F --- DOT5.1 MINIMUM (GLYCOL BASE)
DRY:500F -- WET:356F --- DOT5 MINIMUM (SILICONE BASE)
DRY:617F -- WET:383F --- PFC RH665 (new since 2011)
DRY:536F -- WET:388F --- ATE SUPERBLUE/TYP200
DRY:608F -- WET:390F --- AP RACING PRF660
DRY:601F -- WET:399F --- BREMBO LCF 600 PLUS
DRY:617F -- WET:399F --- MOTUL RBF 660
DRY:572F -- WET:410F --- AP RACING 600
DRY:626F -- WET:417F --- WILWOOD EXP 600
DRY:593F -- WET:421F --- MOTUL RBF 600
DRY:610F -- WET:421F --- NEO SYNTHETICS SUPER DOT 610
DRY:613F -- WET:424F --- ENDLESS RF-650
DRY:635F -- WET:430F --- PROJECT MU G/FOUR 335
DRY:683F -- WET:439F --- PROSPEED RS683 (new since 2010)
DRY:590F -- WET:518F --- CASTROL SRF
/threadderail.
engine is back in, rebuilt transmission and converted to LSD viscous coupler transfer case (front diff) since my ACD pump got smashed in the accident. also, machined billet motor mount inserts x4. what a PITA to get everything lined up with these, but totally worth it. power steering cooler mounted and new lines ran. moved oil cooler location, mounted and new AN fittings/stainless lines ran. more to come soon.
Arranged by Dry
DRY:401F -- WET:284F --- DOT3 MINIMUM (GLYCOL BASE)
DRY:446F -- WET:311F --- DOT4 MINIMUM (GLYCOL BASE)
DRY:500F -- WET:356F --- DOT5 MINIMUM (SILICONE BASE)
DRY:500F -- WET:356F --- DOT5.1 MINIMUM (GLYCOL BASE)
DRY:500F -- WET:???F --- FORD HEAVY DUTY DOT 3 PM-1C (new since 2006)
DRY:527F -- WET:302F --- AP RACING 551 ($12.799/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:527F -- WET:347F --- VALVOLINE SYNPOWER DOT3 & DOT4
DRY:536F -- WET:388F --- ATE SUPERBLUE/TYP200 ($13.99/1L)
DRY:550F -- WET:284F --- FORD HEAVY DUTY DOT 3 PM-1 (pre 2006) ($4/12 OZ)
DRY:570F -- WET:284F --- WILWOOD 570 ($7.95/12 OZ)
DRY:570F -- WET:284F --- PERFORMANCE Friction Z rated ($6.27/16 OZ)
DRY:572F -- WET:410F --- AP RACING 600 ($19.95/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:590F -- WET:???F --- TILTON TBR-1 ($11.95/0.25L) (new since 2006)
DRY:590F -- WET:518F --- CASTROL SRF ($74.99/1.0L 0R 33.8 OZ)
DRY:593F -- WET:421F --- MOTUL RBF 600 ($15.99/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:601F -- WET:399F --- BREMBO LCF 600 PLUS ($19.95/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:608F -- WET:390F --- AP RACING PRF660 ($29.95/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:610F -- WET:421F --- NEO SYNTHETICS SUPER DOT 610 ($11.95/12 OZ)
DRY:613F -- WET:424F --- ENDLESS RF-650 ($33.00/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:617F -- WET:399F --- MOTUL RBF 660 ($28.99/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:617F -- WET:383F --- PFC RH665($28.99/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:622F -- WET:???F --- TILTON TSR-1 ($17.95/0.25L) (new since 2006)
DRY:626F -- WET:???F --- FERODO FSF050 Super Race Brake Fluid ($39.99/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
DRY:626F -- WET:417F --- WILWOOD EXP 600 ($18.99/0.5L 16.9 OZ)
DRY:635F -- WET:???F --- BREMBO HTC 64T ($32.00/0.5L 16.9 OZ)
DRY:635F -- WET:430F --- PROJECT MU G/FOUR 335 ($45.00/1.0L 33.8 OZ)
DRY:683F -- WET:439F --- PROSPEED RS683 ($39.99/0.5L OR 16.9 OZ)
Arranged by Wet
DRY:500F -- WET:???F --- FORD HEAVY DUTY DOT 3 PM-1C (new since 2006)
DRY:590F -- WET:???F --- TILTON TBR-1 ($11.95/0.25L) (new since 2006)
DRY:622F -- WET:???F --- TILTON TSR-1 ($17.95/0.25L) (new since 2006)
DRY:626F -- WET:???F --- FERODO FSF050 Super Race Brake Fluid (new since 2009)
DRY:635F -- WET:???F --- BREMBO HTC 64T
DRY:401F -- WET:284F --- DOT3 MINIMUM
DRY:570F -- WET:284F --- WILWOOD 570
DRY:570F -- WET:284F --- PERFORMANCE Friction Z rated
DRY:550F -- WET:284F --- FORD HEAVY DUTY DOT 3
DRY:527F -- WET:302F --- AP RACING 551
DRY:446F -- WET:311F --- DOT4 MINIMUM
DRY:527F -- WET:347F --- VALVOLINE SYNPOWER DOT3 & DOT4
DRY:500F -- WET:356F --- DOT5.1 MINIMUM (GLYCOL BASE)
DRY:500F -- WET:356F --- DOT5 MINIMUM (SILICONE BASE)
DRY:617F -- WET:383F --- PFC RH665 (new since 2011)
DRY:536F -- WET:388F --- ATE SUPERBLUE/TYP200
DRY:608F -- WET:390F --- AP RACING PRF660
DRY:601F -- WET:399F --- BREMBO LCF 600 PLUS
DRY:617F -- WET:399F --- MOTUL RBF 660
DRY:572F -- WET:410F --- AP RACING 600
DRY:626F -- WET:417F --- WILWOOD EXP 600
DRY:593F -- WET:421F --- MOTUL RBF 600
DRY:610F -- WET:421F --- NEO SYNTHETICS SUPER DOT 610
DRY:613F -- WET:424F --- ENDLESS RF-650
DRY:635F -- WET:430F --- PROJECT MU G/FOUR 335
DRY:683F -- WET:439F --- PROSPEED RS683 (new since 2010)
DRY:590F -- WET:518F --- CASTROL SRF
/threadderail.
engine is back in, rebuilt transmission and converted to LSD viscous coupler transfer case (front diff) since my ACD pump got smashed in the accident. also, machined billet motor mount inserts x4. what a PITA to get everything lined up with these, but totally worth it. power steering cooler mounted and new lines ran. moved oil cooler location, mounted and new AN fittings/stainless lines ran. more to come soon.
Last edited by PCSkiBum_21; Jun 6, 2012 at 09:13 AM.
This thread is providing additional motivation to get my Evo back up and running already. I really want to see if my DIY aero mods I've been dinking with over the last few months will help my lap times at all... or if they'll just add weight and drag.
