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Only 3 pages... please scan it.

 

Putting the S-AWC is deffinitly not worth it for the $$$. The RA has a lot more room in the trunk due to no AYC. If the trunk is different you can bet the subframe is different. So to fit the S-AWC you will have to change to the entire evo suspension, brakes, body, subframe, diff, ecu, sensors, cut into your trunk, etc. I personally think the RA will handle good enough for 95% of the people on the road. I live in the USA and a straight line car with some above average handling is fine with me.

 

where are the scans!

 

Here you guys go. I did my $4.76 + labor in EvoM community service.



http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.ph...r_Ralliart.pdf

 

Thats some good info.This car should be hitting the dealership lots this month(june) and later on.

 

haha thanks bro

 

Thanks man i checked Walmart, Borders, Target, Grocery stores with no luck at all

Does not seem to have really info outside of the stuff that we already know though.

 

Of everything they could have said, Road Race chose that tired and heavily debated quote on how a modified FWD Lancer hung with an STI in a ghymkhana with the same driver. Lame. Talk about the turbo, talk about AWD, talk about tunability. Don't recycle the same old crap that made everyone get into a massive argument in the first place.

 

I would never swap the AWD systems. Steering racks, yes, if I'm not satisfied with the stock RA rack. As for weight reduction the factory does not need to do that for me. I'll do it myself.

I don't care. The feel will be different between the X's handling compared to the RA's, I agree. But it's possible to equal the stock X's speed with stiffer rear sway bars and crap like that. I don't care about matching the feel of S-AWC. You forgot to mention coilovers and other crap. But mod for mod the X will always be faster.

I don't want an abused and used Evo. I want the 4b11t, stiffer and safer chassis ,better looks, and TC-SST.

The VI (non-TME) is lighter and steers quicker than the IX and had inferior technology but the IX is faster. So anyways a good used VI can be had for less than a IX (if you live outside the US) so there is no value in the IX.
The IX is lighter and steers quicker than the X and had inferior technology but the X is faster. So anyways a good used IX can be had for less than a X so there is no value in the X.

Did you know that most cars now a days have very good brakes? Even stock Civic brakes are really good. Just swap the pads and rotors, put in stronger brake lines, better brake fluid, add cooling ducts and vents. That will be enough to race with. Other than the cooling ducts and vents the rest of it you will replace anyway. As for the RA, I'll just jack the Brembos off the X for almost free at the junkyard or get something better.

Most of the handling and performance equipment will be replaced and improved upon anyway. So your point is moot.

With that logic, it would mean all older Evo owners are dumb, dumb, dumb, bum, bum, bum, because their Evos are slower? You sound like a little kid. Damn, I hate elitist children.

Thanks for your lame opinion, though. I could care less about it. It won't be better than the X that's for sure. I'll do whatever I want, though.

You pretty much described a JDM Evo RS. You're becoming lamer and lamer every time you type. You need to stop fan boy. Look up how a JDM Evo RS is. It does not have Brembos, they have steelies (the ones you put hubcaps over), no AYC, and no Recaros. The reason why it comes with inferior equipment is because people will replace them for something better anyway.

All JDM Evo RS did not have AYC, but they were faster than the GSR and MR.

The Evo X weighs about 800 pounds more than the Evo III. Does that mean that the X is not destined for greatness? You can make a racecar out of any car, dudet. People in Japan make racecars out of a Toyota Vitz (Something like a Yaris).

Read the article about Project WRX V.08 in the July issue of Sport Compact Car. It's on page 86. It's a comparison between a stock 07 STI, stock 08 STI, and a modded 08 WRX. Guess who won? They did not spend much with that car. It has handling and power mods. I think they spent less than what a brand new 07 STI cost. That's car plus mods and tuning.

 

Yes, it's not worth the money to do that kind of conversion. I would never do it even if I had the spare cash. I don't intend to keep this car stock, though.

 

and how labor intensive do you think that would be? do you have ANY idea how much money "simple" swaps such as these cost? parts plus labor. like i said this isn't a 10 minute job. maybe you're rich or maybe daddy and mommy have deep pockets but you sure aren't very realistic. go back to gran turismo...

weight reduction? like what? you gonna strip the car out so you can be better than an evo? or you gonna take out the trunk lining and save 5 lbs? get real...


what a ricer. all you care about is numbers? handling is now reduced to numbers and feel has nothing to do with it right? man this guy is some funny sh*t


no one gives a sh*t what you want. the FACT is that a used IX would be faster and handle better, dollar for dollar, than a new RA. if you want nav and fast key and all that stuff then fine. but from a pure performance standpoint, the IX is better, FACT!


guess you haven't seen this then

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3YG3uoadVgk

the VI TME is the BEST evo ever made. MOST people would agree.

and if you haven't noticed by now yes the IX is faster than the X. dollar for dollar if you want speed, the IX wins. how hard is this to understand? are you 12?


brembos for almost free?

my point was that you're gonna be spending money to try and match the evo. when you tally up the total, i HIGHLY doubt you'll end up spending less than just buying an evo.

you missed the point tard. the point was that if you want to build up a RA just to beat an evo you'd spend more money than just buying an evo.


the reason why they make that car is to sell it to race teams. the RA was meant to be a street car sold to the masses. are you really THAT dumb that you can't figure that out?


what does this have to do with anything? comparing old cars to new cars is nothing like comparing 2 new cars where one is intentionally made slower to sell at a lower price point. WTF is your point with every thing you post? it's rubbish. no continuity of argument. no central theme, no nothing. just random retorts with no base in anything relevant. grow up get an education. stop playing gran turismo. read a book put down sport compact car.


don't believe everything in magazines. did they list prices for parts, shipping, labor, and tuning/dyno time? did they mention that they get paid to do this and that you'd have to eat up free time to do this? or even take off work and in essence lose even more money? c'mon. not everything in life is cut and dry like in a magazine.

i'm done with you. you are ignorant and too stupid to know that you are. grow up.

 

That applies more to you by how much knowledge you show and how flawed your logic is.

 

VincentX, i think we don't see eye to eye on one key issue. how much of a value the evo x is.

for all the things the evo gives you over the RA, it comes to way more than $10k if you were to do it by aftermarket tuning. for example, increased track. yes you can buy new fenders, wheels/tires, suspension bits, etc. but how much of that $10k "budget" that you saved by not getting an X, did you use up JUST for increasing the track?

and of course the most important things are the fundamental bits like S-AWC, increased chassis stiffness, quicker steering, etc. yes you CAN do this on a RA just that it'd probably cost more than the car is worth at the end.

so my main point at the end of the day is that if you want a car as fast as an evo... GET AN EVO!!! if you can't afford one then oh well, work with what you can afford.

but the notion that the money saved on buying the RA as a base car to tune is FLAWED because the evo gives you a LOT of extras that you can't cheaply replicate by tuning.

now if this were comparing a $150k euro exotic vs a GTR or something like that for a purpose built track car, THEN i'd say the money saved could be well spent making the cheaper car faster.

IN THIS CASE, the evo is one helluva bargain for what you get if you think about it.