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Just Bought Kelford 272s for my Evo IX! - Should I get Springs & Retainers?

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Old May 3, 2010 | 06:51 PM
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Also:
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ That is $289.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007S (Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)

Or this one

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ This one is $349.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007D (Dual Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
- SEAT-M1007D (Valve Seats)
- VS-H6.6 (Reduced O.D. Valve Seals)

Which one should I get? I'd rather not spend the extra $60 if it's not really necessary.

Thanks,

Danny
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Old May 3, 2010 | 09:57 PM
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Have you tried searching on this subject?

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/en...pr-m1009d.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-8000rpms.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...tock-head.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ainer-set.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...hey-float.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ford-272s.html

What the guys at Kelford think:

From: Noah
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2010 2:35 p.m.
To: camshaft@kelford.co.nz
Subject: Kelford 272 Camshaft Questions

Hello,

I purchased a set of Kelford 272 camshafts for my 4G63 Evo IX street car and wanted to know if I need to upgrade my valve train?
Is it overkill to have dual springs and retainers when running a stock framed turbo?
In your R&D did you find that there is power to be had at the high RPM band?
My car has a stock bottom end, so I don't know how well it can handle high RPMs.

Thank you in advance.


Noah
His reply?

Noah,

The stock spring has very limited valve train control because the cam is aggressive and needs more open pressure to control lofting etc.
People tend to ‘get away with using it’ to a certain extent but with boost and rpm increase combined with the more aggressive cam flank, it is asking for trouble.

We only recommend our beehive spring. NOT a dual spring.


Regards,

Kevin Ban
Managing Director
Kelford Cams & Camshaft Shop
PO Box 7505, Sydenham, Christchurch, New Zealand 8240

100 Mowbray Street, Waltham, Christchurch, New Zealand 8023

P: + 64 3 366 4514 F: + 64 3 366 4515
Naturally this prompted another question:

From: Noah
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 6:18 PM
To: camshaft@kelford.co.nz
Subject: Kelford 272 Camshaft Questions

Kevin,

Thank you for the reply!

Why NOT a dual spring?


Noah

Noah,


The dual springs have a lower natural frequency, their own mass working against them.

The beehive chases terminal harmonics further away than a dual ever will.

The KVS63 spring has 73lb on the seat and 200lb at 11mm lift

In high boost applications we use a 2mm spring seat to lift these figures by 20lb


Regards,

Kevin Ban
Managing Director
Kelford Cams & Camshaft Shop
PO Box 7505, Sydenham, Christchurch, New Zealand 8240

100 Mowbray Street, Waltham, Christchurch, New Zealand 8023

P: + 64 3 366 4514 F: + 64 3 366 4515

Last edited by golgo13; May 3, 2010 at 10:05 PM.
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Old May 3, 2010 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MarylandEvo
Also:
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ That is $289.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007S (Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)

Or this one

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ This one is $349.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007D (Dual Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
- SEAT-M1007D (Valve Seats)
- VS-H6.6 (Reduced O.D. Valve Seals)

Which one should I get? I'd rather not spend the extra $60 if it's not really necessary.

Thanks,

Danny
From the Supertech site:

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Old May 3, 2010 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MarylandEvo
Also:
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ That is $289.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007S (Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)

Or this one

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ This one is $349.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007D (Dual Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
- SEAT-M1007D (Valve Seats)
- VS-H6.6 (Reduced O.D. Valve Seals)

Which one should I get? I'd rather not spend the extra $60 if it's not really necessary.

Thanks,

Danny
all you need for your setup is GSC Beehive springs.. The stock retainer is lighter than all the above and you dont need a 9k+ RPM setup.. Pm if you want additional info..

Mike
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Old May 3, 2010 | 10:51 PM
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kelfords recomends it, do it. better safe then sorry. im accually running the BC springs and retainers it holds up fine no problems what so ever. hope that helps . gl with your build
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