Just Bought Kelford 272s for my Evo IX! - Should I get Springs & Retainers?
Also:
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ That is $289.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007S (Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
Or this one
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ This one is $349.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007D (Dual Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
- SEAT-M1007D (Valve Seats)
- VS-H6.6 (Reduced O.D. Valve Seals)
Which one should I get? I'd rather not spend the extra $60 if it's not really necessary.
Thanks,
Danny
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ That is $289.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007S (Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
Or this one
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ This one is $349.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007D (Dual Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
- SEAT-M1007D (Valve Seats)
- VS-H6.6 (Reduced O.D. Valve Seals)
Which one should I get? I'd rather not spend the extra $60 if it's not really necessary.
Thanks,
Danny
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What the guys at Kelford think:
His reply?
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What the guys at Kelford think:
From: Noah
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2010 2:35 p.m.
To: camshaft@kelford.co.nz
Subject: Kelford 272 Camshaft Questions
Hello,
I purchased a set of Kelford 272 camshafts for my 4G63 Evo IX street car and wanted to know if I need to upgrade my valve train?
Is it overkill to have dual springs and retainers when running a stock framed turbo?
In your R&D did you find that there is power to be had at the high RPM band?
My car has a stock bottom end, so I don't know how well it can handle high RPMs.
Thank you in advance.
Noah
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2010 2:35 p.m.
To: camshaft@kelford.co.nz
Subject: Kelford 272 Camshaft Questions
Hello,
I purchased a set of Kelford 272 camshafts for my 4G63 Evo IX street car and wanted to know if I need to upgrade my valve train?
Is it overkill to have dual springs and retainers when running a stock framed turbo?
In your R&D did you find that there is power to be had at the high RPM band?
My car has a stock bottom end, so I don't know how well it can handle high RPMs.
Thank you in advance.
Noah
Noah,
The stock spring has very limited valve train control because the cam is aggressive and needs more open pressure to control lofting etc.
People tend to ‘get away with using it’ to a certain extent but with boost and rpm increase combined with the more aggressive cam flank, it is asking for trouble.
We only recommend our beehive spring. NOT a dual spring.
Regards,
Kevin Ban
Managing Director
Kelford Cams & Camshaft Shop
PO Box 7505, Sydenham, Christchurch, New Zealand 8240
100 Mowbray Street, Waltham, Christchurch, New Zealand 8023
P: + 64 3 366 4514 F: + 64 3 366 4515
The stock spring has very limited valve train control because the cam is aggressive and needs more open pressure to control lofting etc.
People tend to ‘get away with using it’ to a certain extent but with boost and rpm increase combined with the more aggressive cam flank, it is asking for trouble.
We only recommend our beehive spring. NOT a dual spring.
Regards,
Kevin Ban
Managing Director
Kelford Cams & Camshaft Shop
PO Box 7505, Sydenham, Christchurch, New Zealand 8240
100 Mowbray Street, Waltham, Christchurch, New Zealand 8023
P: + 64 3 366 4514 F: + 64 3 366 4515
From: Noah
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 6:18 PM
To: camshaft@kelford.co.nz
Subject: Kelford 272 Camshaft Questions
Kevin,
Thank you for the reply!
Why NOT a dual spring?
Noah
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 6:18 PM
To: camshaft@kelford.co.nz
Subject: Kelford 272 Camshaft Questions
Kevin,
Thank you for the reply!
Why NOT a dual spring?
Noah
Noah,
The dual springs have a lower natural frequency, their own mass working against them.
The beehive chases terminal harmonics further away than a dual ever will.
The KVS63 spring has 73lb on the seat and 200lb at 11mm lift
In high boost applications we use a 2mm spring seat to lift these figures by 20lb
Regards,
Kevin Ban
Managing Director
Kelford Cams & Camshaft Shop
PO Box 7505, Sydenham, Christchurch, New Zealand 8240
100 Mowbray Street, Waltham, Christchurch, New Zealand 8023
P: + 64 3 366 4514 F: + 64 3 366 4515
The dual springs have a lower natural frequency, their own mass working against them.
The beehive chases terminal harmonics further away than a dual ever will.
The KVS63 spring has 73lb on the seat and 200lb at 11mm lift
In high boost applications we use a 2mm spring seat to lift these figures by 20lb
Regards,
Kevin Ban
Managing Director
Kelford Cams & Camshaft Shop
PO Box 7505, Sydenham, Christchurch, New Zealand 8240
100 Mowbray Street, Waltham, Christchurch, New Zealand 8023
P: + 64 3 366 4514 F: + 64 3 366 4515
Last edited by golgo13; May 3, 2010 at 10:05 PM.
Also:
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ That is $289.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007S (Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
Or this one
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ This one is $349.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007D (Dual Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
- SEAT-M1007D (Valve Seats)
- VS-H6.6 (Reduced O.D. Valve Seals)
Which one should I get? I'd rather not spend the extra $60 if it's not really necessary.
Thanks,
Danny
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ That is $289.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007S (Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
Or this one
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ This one is $349.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007D (Dual Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
- SEAT-M1007D (Valve Seats)
- VS-H6.6 (Reduced O.D. Valve Seals)
Which one should I get? I'd rather not spend the extra $60 if it's not really necessary.
Thanks,
Danny
Also:
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ That is $289.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007S (Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
Or this one
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ This one is $349.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007D (Dual Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
- SEAT-M1007D (Valve Seats)
- VS-H6.6 (Reduced O.D. Valve Seals)
Which one should I get? I'd rather not spend the extra $60 if it's not really necessary.
Thanks,
Danny
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ That is $289.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007S (Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
Or this one
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1358&page=1
^ This one is $349.99
Included in Kit:
- SPR-M1007D (Dual Valve Springs)
- RET-M65/T1 (Titanium Retainers)
- SEAT-M1007D (Valve Seats)
- VS-H6.6 (Reduced O.D. Valve Seals)
Which one should I get? I'd rather not spend the extra $60 if it's not really necessary.
Thanks,
Danny
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