Blown motor--opinions?
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Originally Posted by sixspeed4dr
Look at this picture (http://3pointmotorsports.com/images/...%20EVO%208.jpg). This is a normal pressure plate setup for an Evo 8. You see the retaining ring in the center with all the metal prongs that face downward? Under that retaining ring is another metal ring.
When they pulled mine off, they found that all those prongs were bent to hell, and the second metal ring was actually put OUTSIDE the pronged ring! So somebody actually had to disassemble the ACT clutch pressure plate. I don't know--maybe they took a used one off somebody else's car. They never did give me the packaging.
When they pulled mine off, they found that all those prongs were bent to hell, and the second metal ring was actually put OUTSIDE the pronged ring! So somebody actually had to disassemble the ACT clutch pressure plate. I don't know--maybe they took a used one off somebody else's car. They never did give me the packaging.
i didn't read what everyone posted but there should be no reason they did full pulls with aem's base map. that is supposed to give you a starting point and hopefully get your car started. and on the dyno it should be done in slow increments as far as rpm and keep adjusting what needs to be adjusted. full runs with a base map will definetely kill your engine and timing should have been set very conservative(negative timing) for starters and not having it advanced so much. sorry to hear you have to go through this and i wish you all the luck that things work out in your favor. keep us updated.
i see what you mean about the clutch. Those prongs can get beat up when installing the tranny. Its a very delicate job trying to stab the tranny shaft and keep the retaining ring inserted into the pressure plate. Notice those black plastic tabs that hold the pressure plate to the cardboard backing. If you pull off the cardboard, you have to make sure those little pieces are cut off the pressure plate. I almost installed one with those on. Mitsu was the last one to do this kids tranny and left out 2 transfer bolts and 1 tranny bolt. Cross threaded one tranny bolt also. After several clutches, it takes me and a helper 8 hours to do it like I own it. I usually charge $500 and the customer can stand right there and watch/learn all day long. I would have a dificult time letting a tranny shop touch one. Its real easy to get frustrated and start missing things......
Originally Posted by WHTEVO
i didn't read what everyone posted but there should be no reason they did full pulls with aem's base map. that is supposed to give you a starting point and hopefully get your car started. and on the dyno it should be done in slow increments as far as rpm and keep adjusting what needs to be adjusted. full runs with a base map will definetely kill your engine and timing should have been set very conservative(negative timing) for starters and not having it advanced so much. sorry to hear you have to go through this and i wish you all the luck that things work out in your favor. keep us updated.
What I can say is CFT does not do clutch installs for Evo's. They are referred out to a local shop within the same complex. I have had a client's Tilton twin hybrid installed by that shop and the guy has NO problems at all. So
Originally Posted by sixspeed4dr
1. The map I posted online is exactly the map I showed to Rolo the other day. It is absolutely not the stock map. There is only one calibration file in my computer, and that is the one I downloaded from my AEM box after CFT tuned it, so there is no possible way I could have posted the wrong map. There was some other poster on here who said something about accidentally posting the wrong map, but it wasn't me.
2. I told Rolo and Sergio that the impeller blades had nicks in them, not that they were broken. The impeller blades are powered by exhaust gas, right? That being the case, it makes perfect sense to assume that they were damaged by the broken piece of the piston that exited through an exhaust port and into the turbo. But since you brought it up, even if the damage could have been caused by something being injested into the turbo, it would have been because the intake system was installed incorrectly by CFT.
During the engine replacement process, I found plenty of other evidence that supports my belief that CFT did less than professional work in this case:
Only one bolt was holding the starter on.
One of the bolts to mount the clutch was actually an exhaust heat shield bolt
Two bolts were missing from transmission housing
Parts of the ACT clutch were installed backwards (needed a new pressure plate)
The back of the radiator was covered in wrench dings
Bottom line: the car was less than 9 months old with ZERO mods before I took it to CFT. CFT is the only place to EVER do any work on this car. Less than two weeks after the tune, it breaks while opening the throttle and producing peak (22 psi) boost in 6th gear at 50 mph. And the only response from CFT has been that this is my fault because I should know better than to go WOT in high gear because it puts "too much load" on the engine.
That's just plain wrong.
2. I told Rolo and Sergio that the impeller blades had nicks in them, not that they were broken. The impeller blades are powered by exhaust gas, right? That being the case, it makes perfect sense to assume that they were damaged by the broken piece of the piston that exited through an exhaust port and into the turbo. But since you brought it up, even if the damage could have been caused by something being injested into the turbo, it would have been because the intake system was installed incorrectly by CFT.
During the engine replacement process, I found plenty of other evidence that supports my belief that CFT did less than professional work in this case:
Only one bolt was holding the starter on.
One of the bolts to mount the clutch was actually an exhaust heat shield bolt
Two bolts were missing from transmission housing
Parts of the ACT clutch were installed backwards (needed a new pressure plate)
The back of the radiator was covered in wrench dings
Bottom line: the car was less than 9 months old with ZERO mods before I took it to CFT. CFT is the only place to EVER do any work on this car. Less than two weeks after the tune, it breaks while opening the throttle and producing peak (22 psi) boost in 6th gear at 50 mph. And the only response from CFT has been that this is my fault because I should know better than to go WOT in high gear because it puts "too much load" on the engine.
That's just plain wrong.
I have seen CFT at many races and met them several times
They have an outanding reputation in the turbo world and they are very car savy guys
It always pains me to see fellow tuners playing monday morning quarter back and second guessing the work of another tuner when they dont even have the facts
There are two and often 3 sides to every story and CFT should come on here to defend itself before anyone draws any conclusions
Dyno Flash is a stong supporter of CFT
Finally - many top world class DSM tuners use flat timing tables - I wont give any names but the practice is common. I personally do not follow that method in my tuning but other very well regarded tuners do.
Last word - I am not here trying to drum up business - CFT is more than capable to give you a great tune
Originally Posted by alpha
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Thank you man
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Dyno Flash is a stong supporter of CFT
Last word - I am not here trying to drum up business - CFT is more than capable to give you a great tune
Am hopping that Rolo will respond so he can clear thing out for everyone; my personal experience at CFT is that they are very professional and they will do what it take to get the job done!!!!!
Pictures speak for it self
[QUOTE=sixspeed4dr]The car was tuned by Rolo and Sergio at Central Florida Turbo.
Were you there when the tuning was done?....I ask because many times the "head tuners" are not even the ones tuning your car. They sometimes leave the smaller tunes to other guys in the shop, and this is when things go wrong...I feel for you man, brand new car in peices. Have they taken any responsibilty yet? Keep us posted.
Were you there when the tuning was done?....I ask because many times the "head tuners" are not even the ones tuning your car. They sometimes leave the smaller tunes to other guys in the shop, and this is when things go wrong...I feel for you man, brand new car in peices. Have they taken any responsibilty yet? Keep us posted.
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Originally Posted by UndieStainz
Very likely,...possible,...propable,... i never saw my stock injectors again after they installed the 880's. ...hmmmmmmm
By the way, guess where they put the AEM box.
It took me forever to find it.
It was laying on the floor under the carpet on the passenger side of the car.
Not fastened to anything, right where people put their feet!
Amazing.
And while I'm on here, I had another concern. It looks like the transmission stuff on the AEM calibration file is only set up for five gears. My car has six. Is this another problem I have to worry about now?
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ProccoEvo, I saw this post of yours earlier this year:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=129700
What changed to make you such a supporter? I mean, you put up a LOT of stuff about how unprofessional CFT, Rolo, Sergio, and Javier were in their business practices, but now only seven months later, everything is cool again? Does that mean you were wrong, or does it mean they accepted responsibility and treated you right?
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=129700
What changed to make you such a supporter? I mean, you put up a LOT of stuff about how unprofessional CFT, Rolo, Sergio, and Javier were in their business practices, but now only seven months later, everything is cool again? Does that mean you were wrong, or does it mean they accepted responsibility and treated you right?
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Ok, what is flat about my timing table Al. Rolo and I worked on the car for quite awhile and it punches like nuts, he stuck with my AFR max wish of 11.5 and was very informative regarding of what he was doing, etc. Please somebody explain a timing table that follows the general consensus in this thread, although Al's comment is well appreciated because I have seen both methods...anyway, shoot away.
I have nothing to add to this discussion other than to say that CFT is well respected true racer and tuner shop by Dyno Flash
Engines on modified cars can and do fail, its part of the game
I do not like to see monday morning 2nd quesing
I am looking forward to seeing CFT at the track again sometime soon
Engines on modified cars can and do fail, its part of the game
I do not like to see monday morning 2nd quesing
I am looking forward to seeing CFT at the track again sometime soon
