Horrible AEM tuning from the "pros"
since im kinda like this thread i figure ill bump it up...what do you tuners think about this fuel map...it was on a "professionally tuned" turbo honda s2000...
Last edited by reactionevo8; Apr 24, 2009 at 06:01 PM.
After seeing alot of the maps posted as well as the map from my own car,I questioned the tuner of the map i posted above about his not using boost comp or knock control and this was his response:
i got some input from a different tuner(very very well known tuner in honda community) about boost comp this is what he said
any other tuners have any input on this?
Now Steve thinks "Boost Comp" is the all knowing tuning table... not so, it would work great if this was a supercharged engine but it is not. As for a knock sensor... just a band aid for not tuning correctly. I have never used one and will not.
i got some input from a different tuner(very very well known tuner in honda community) about boost comp this is what he said
"boost comp" is just a form of compensation that AEM uses. It can be used, or you can do w/o. There really is not benefit in one way over another besides ease of tuning. Tuning a "boost comp" setup is quicker and easier, but not as accurate. Since it works on the basis of 'double air/double fuel', when you double manifold pressure, it doubles the amount of fuel going in to achieve the same a/f ratio. That's great, IF you want the same a/f ratio all the way up, which you generally don't, and if you have the same pressure ratio from intake to exhaust pressure at all boost levels, which is impossible. For those reasons, even a "boost comp" tune, will not be setup like 90% of people's "boost comp" maps because a linear interpolation with boost will not be accurate.
So, yes, it can be tuned either way and if done correctly, there is no benefit in one over the other.
To say it's not right if not tuned with a boost comp is just ignorance.
So, yes, it can be tuned either way and if done correctly, there is no benefit in one over the other.
To say it's not right if not tuned with a boost comp is just ignorance.
Last edited by reactionevo8; Apr 28, 2009 at 11:21 PM.
After seeing alot of the maps posted as well as the map from my own car,I questioned the tuner of the map i posted above about his not using boost comp or knock control and this was his response:
i got some input from a different tuner(very very well known tuner in honda community) about boost comp this is what he said
any other tuners have any input on this?
i got some input from a different tuner(very very well known tuner in honda community) about boost comp this is what he said
any other tuners have any input on this?
Boost compensation is a great tuning strategy, the reason why it works so well is because it gives you much deeper resolution into precise fuel tuning. This allows you to use a much lower MicroSec/bit rate without worry of running into your 255 adjustment points.
No offense but I don't think the person above has the the full idea of boost comp at grasp, the double air double fuel theory is true at the start but what he is not telling you or just failing to realize is that you can still adjust your fuel map at any point (load or RPM) so it isn't a 1:1 value. This is no different that how you tune a fuel map without a boost comp style map, in other words not every load point has to be the exact same value at any given rpm or load. All boost comp does i applies a known base fuel value for every load and rpm so you get the ability to have more resolution (be able to make smaller adjustments) without worry of hitting your max 255 adjustment points. So with that said it states the point of why it can be better in all situations regardless of your other variables. If a person can't get their head around this they really need to stop and do some testing and look at the data.
Last edited by GTVEVO; Apr 29, 2009 at 07:05 AM.
Boost compensation is a great tuning strategy, the reason why it works so well is because it gives you much deeper resolution into precise fuel tuning. This allows you to use a much lower MicroSec/bit rate without worry of running into your 255 adjustment points.
No offense but I don't think the person above has the the full idea of boost comp at grasp, the double air double fuel theory is true at the start but what he is not telling you or just failing to realize is that you can still adjust your fuel map at any point (load or RPM) so it isn't a 1:1 value. This is no different that how you tune a fuel map without a boost comp style map, in other words not every load point has to be the exact same value at any given rpm or load. All boost comp does i applies a known base fuel value for every load and rpm so you get the ability to have more resolution (be able to make smaller adjustments) without worry of hitting your max 255 adjustment points. So with that said it states the point of why it can be better in all situations regardless of your other variables. If a person can't get their head around this they really need to stop and do some testing and look at the data.
No offense but I don't think the person above has the the full idea of boost comp at grasp, the double air double fuel theory is true at the start but what he is not telling you or just failing to realize is that you can still adjust your fuel map at any point (load or RPM) so it isn't a 1:1 value. This is no different that how you tune a fuel map without a boost comp style map, in other words not every load point has to be the exact same value at any given rpm or load. All boost comp does i applies a known base fuel value for every load and rpm so you get the ability to have more resolution (be able to make smaller adjustments) without worry of hitting your max 255 adjustment points. So with that said it states the point of why it can be better in all situations regardless of your other variables. If a person can't get their head around this they really need to stop and do some testing and look at the data.
not as bad as the other ones in here ... 23 psi 6057 turbo no knock control slow spool etc.... re-tuned by itzwolf 28psi knock control faster spool and alot better looking maps 
old maps below
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Crap how did I miss this thread!!
Looking at some of the posted maps, I was asking myself if you guys are purposly making these to post....
If you are not, my god what are people thinking...
Who has the time to make maps so FUBARRD? Seriously, were these ppl logging and tuning or wtf...
Etchesketch is right
almost 3yr old thread brought to life. lolz
Looking at some of the posted maps, I was asking myself if you guys are purposly making these to post....
If you are not, my god what are people thinking...
Who has the time to make maps so FUBARRD? Seriously, were these ppl logging and tuning or wtf...
Etchesketch is right
almost 3yr old thread brought to life. lolz