That's where I sit

 

Stock for stock the evo will kill!!!

Evo has a big 16g turbo capable of 11sec 1/4 miles with more mods!!!
Gsx has a tiny t25 turbo that runs out of steam fast!!! Capable of being thrown in the garbage!!!
Evo runs mid to low 13's stock depending on driver
Gsx run mid to high 14's stock depending on driver
Evo has better handling due to tires and stiff suspension
Gsx has a softer suspension and lacks advan tires.

Now if the Gsx is modded, its a different ball game now. But I have my vote on the Evo!!!

 

Exactly! Both awesome fun platforms.

 

My 97 Eclipse weighs 3150lbs. It has a sunroof, leather, pretty much every option except for the automatic. You read the GVWR in the door jam and assumed that was how much the car weighed. That is the max weight of the car, fully loaded with 4 passengers and luggage, etc...

The 1Gs are lighter than that.

If both cars are identical, power-wise, the Eclipse is going to win. It is lighter, and has gear ratios that are more suited toward drag racing.

 

The only reason that the Evos are as fast as they are in a short amount of time is because of the DSMs. 90% (just throwing out a number) of all tuning on a DSM can be applied to the Evo. I still don't see any Evos running 8s in full street trim, although I'm sure it will happen.

Whoever said their GSX weighed 3800 needs to find a new scale, unless the car was loaded with a bunch of huge people when it was weighed.

 

^Dude I wasn't in anyway dissing DSMs, I have just as much respect for them as I have for the EVO. Also stop with this DSM made EVOs fast cuz that is totally untrue dude, cuz um maybe you forgot about the EVO I, the EVO II, the EVO III, the EVO IV, the EVO V, the EVO VI, the EVO VII, and now the EVO VIII. The Eclipse was only available in the USA, it was sort of like a detuned version of the EVO which was available to the rest of the world, why Mitsubishi did this I don't know why? Probably because they didn't think the USA would care for a 4 door sedan sport vehicle, solution ECLIPSE (2 door sport compact with de-tuned 4G63), and a very good success.

Also define full street trim, I know your not talking full interior and what not, because thet're are no Eclipse that are full weight and full street trim (meaning leather or cloth seats, radio, AC, and etc.) running 8s either.

 

Also, many EVO tuners such as Vishnu, Dyno Flash, Works, and Vivid, and RNR, were never even DSM tuners?!?!?

 

I never said you were dissing anything. If you live in Europe or Japan, then the previous Evos apply to you. Here in the US, they don't. I've never heard of any tuner here in the US base all their modding and tuning on the way they do it in Japan or Europe. Please, point me to someone who does. Take cams for example. In Europe, they like the 272/264 combo, always have. How does the US pick go? 264/272. Why? That's the way the DSMs have always done it. Heck, they don't even like the HKS stuff in Europe. They are big on Piper, Tommie (however you spell it) etc. Are we? No. Some people use them, but not many.

Just because someone has never tuned a DSM doesn't mean they can't use it as an example. You would be stupid to not look at the DSM as a tuner when the Evo first came out in the US. Now that plenty of Evos have been tuned, new tuners can look at previous US Evos, and not DSMs.

 

So you don't think they ever looked at the stuff that other shops that are DSM tuners did? Riiiiight.

Besides, a whole lot of DSM go-fast knowledge was attained by individuals, not shops. And hell, a lot of that stuff was just common knowledge to the hot-rodding community in general. It just had to be applied to our little 4-bangers. None of this stuff is new.

Incidentally, DSMs were being made in 1989. A few years before the Lancer Evolution was introduced. DSMs were not based off of the Evo. They were based off of the Galant VR4.

And yes, John Shepherd's 8 second DSM could definitely be driven on the street, and was...at least before this year. Once you get to that level, a whole lot has to be done to compromise ANY car's streetability. Safety equipment starts getting in the way of daily driving niceties.

 

I just saw the poll results. I don't think people were voting based on the parameters in the first post.

The lighter car with better gearing is going to win if power is the same in the two vehicles. And the lighter car certainly isn't the Evo!

 

Never said John Sheppard car couldn't be driven on streets, just said it wasn't full weight street trim, am I right?

There are EVOs in the 8s, thank you, he never said EVO VIII, he said EVOs period, and he was wrong.

Based off of Galant VR4, ok my bad.

Don't get me wrong, I'm quite sure other shops paid alittle attention to the DSM tuners, I'm just saying that the EVO has had a great history and a lot of ideas could have come from outside the USA too, where they have been also tunning the EVO for years, I'm I right? Or does the world just revolve around the DSMs, and all the people who have fixed up there EVOs in Austr, Europe, and Japan all got their ideas from DSMs too.

Look both are great cars, not dissing the DSMs at all, my point is when people say stupid sh*t like look at how many Eclipse run this compared to EVOs, they forget that the same people who tunned those Eclipse, could do the same thing with the EVO and probably run faster. ShapeGSX I know you got a fast Eclipse there, but if you lost your car and somebody gave you an EVO, you could turn around and run the same time with an EVO and it would be a lot easier too.

 

EVERYONE PAY CLOSE ATTENTION, I SAID THAT MY FRIEND SAID HIS RS ECLIPSE WEIGHED 3800.
I DID NOT KNOW ANY BETTER B/C I DONT OWN AN ECLIPSE.


I also do not think that it is fair to say that u dont see evos running in the 8's, b/c they have only been out for what 2-3 years. Eclipses have been out for probably 9-10 yrs for the 2g.

 

Of course it isn't full weight. Racing a full weight car at that level would be asinine. I doubt you will find many full weight cars that are that fast, Evos included. More weight just leads to more breakage.

The difference is that the DSM community worked in a complete vacuum for many of the 10 years that DSMs were produced. Probably good in some ways since it allowed people to apply ideas that were not the norm in other countries. Probably bad in other ways since we ended up reinventing the wheel. Maybe our wheel was better, though.

Sure I could. I'd love to have a twin-scroll 10.5cm 16G instead of the single scroll 7cm 16G I have now. But I seem to do ok with what I have. I'd also love to have the Evo's front mount. No doubt it is better than the puny one I have on my car. I have no idea why so many people with Evos ditch it when they are just trying to run in the 11s. Money to burn, I guess. I'd have to put DSMLink in the car, though.

However, the 1st gear of the Evo requires people to launch at a higher RPM than a GSX has to. That ends up being hard on clutches. DSMs aren't nearly as hard on clutches because the better 1st gear ratio lets them put more torque to the wheels. I launch my car at 4750RPMs, and I have trouble keeping the tires from spinning. Most Evos seem to have to launch at ~6000RPMs or higher due to the lower gear ratio in 1st. My ACT 2600s tend to last ~2 years with a hell of a lot of drag racing (1 to 2 trips to the track per month with anywhere from 6 to 8 passes per trip in season) and daily driving on them.

But then, all of this wasn't the point of the poll, was it?

 

another dumb poll

 

It may as well be, but no one forced u to read or even post in here for that matter.