Boost on said run was about 22psi on average. I've been able to run that on pump gas as well and not see a ton of timing being pulled...it was pretty acceptable actually.

Goofing around with these cars more and more I'm finding decent "free" power in two areas at this level of modification.

1. Tune.

2. Intake pipe/MAF modification we do. (And I don't mean making the car run lean.)

I'm fairly sure we could replicate Keely's time on pump gas...with the traps being within a mph or two. It's just a careful observation of what parts work with what and learning how the car operates and "thinks" on a more minute level. The car is a DSM in many regards, but much different in others. Seems most DSM shops are treating them as DSM's for the most part IMHO.

As for Keely's pictures...uh, not for the reasons you hounds want it for!

 

You should post up the time slip ... i would like to see it

Even with my car not being able to shift in any gear quickly (Missing 2/3ds of the shifts), and bogging the launch terribly (2.01 60') I only managed to pull off a 118 mph. Needless to say I have more than an intake and exhaust cutout and it wasn't the stock turbo at 22psi. I have yet to see a stock turbo at that boost level get even remotely close to those traps. I could see it at very high boost levels but 22 psi is a stretch of my imagination. Not trying to be a ***** or anything but it seems too good to be true.

And what $75 mod did you do to the DSM to hit a 12.5? You paid Curt Brown to use his EMS and run it in your car with him driving it for $75? I have owned 7 and it takes more than $75 to get it to run mid 12's.

 

i hit 117 mph with 25 psi.

 

I would believe yours alot more than thiers. I was pretty *****y in a bad mood my last post but still. To hit a 117 trap you need around 430 to the ground. With the right tune I could believe your car to hit it. Lightening it would help alot too... depending on how much it wiegh's.. 430 would assume full weight 150 pound driver with half a tank.

But a real fast tune like they said they did, 22psi, and pretty damn near no mods...
They need around 400 to the ground to hit it. It is possible just doesnt seem likely at all that they brough a 230-240hp evo to 400 with those mods.

I am, by naturen a non-believer. I have seen way too many posts on forums about people hitting great times but when i see them at a track they hit much slower... People saying they ran a 13.4 stock but when I see them at a track they run 13.8's and such. People imbellish a TON on the internet and i hate it. I havent at all... I ran 118 trap and a 12.7. I couldnt shift the car or launch it. I had a mid 80mph 1/8th but made up that much speed at the end showing the car has A TON more than I pushed it to even at low boost. But when people are talking about minimal modded cars look at the speed they say they hit some of these at.. 114+ takes a decent amount of power.

Examples =
trap 100 is around 260hp
trap 109 - 340hp
trap 114 - 400hp
118 - 442
122 - 490
130 - 591

You can see how the HP gets higher and higher for each mph. So if someone says 122 but really hit 118 there is damn near a 50hp difference. Now just think of those guys that trap at 145+.... They are puttin down some power! Anyways, I didnt want to sound too much like a complete b1tch but i am a female on the internet... I am too used to people lying and/or imbellishing anything and everything to me.

 

Not so sure about all the power and speed calculator programs and such. Yes its easier to look at an average of what a car with given mods runs, compared to similar setups.
Have had ten DSM's, four of them ran 11's. Not so sure the turbos used would make 400 hp at the wheels and two ran 115-116 in the 1/4 mile, with a 3350 weight. Granted the EVO is heavier but almost on par with a loaded 2g AWD.
If a stock MR puts down a 13.0 at 104 on a 70 degree day, is it really making 290-300 at the wheels stock?

 

Lower speeds seem to be off more as a percent because a 20 hp difference is alot. But once you get up to the 114-120 range it is pretty acurate. The difference of 20hp seems alot less a problem. Considering we just dynoed a car at 459 at the wheels and wieghed it at a truck stop @ 3400 +/- 20 lbs and it trapped a 121 with a decent run most calculators will crap out anywhere from 460-490 (Higher ones generally measure the estimated crank HP).

I guess so yes, I could believe an MR on a great run trap at 104 stock. It would probably be incredibly tough to do so but I could believe it. Putting the estimated power at 289. To the wheels in actuality it would be more around 250 or so. The other thing to look at would be the 1/8th mile. If a stock MR hit that it would most definately make most the speed before the 1/8th. If a car is gaining 30mph after the 1/8th it aint stock. Anyways.. these are the reason i would like the see the timeslips or know more about the run. I couldnt really imagine a damn near stock car hitting over 90 in the 1/8th or couldnt imagine the same car gaining 30 mph after the 1/8th. So how does it add up?

 

I guess I am pretty new to the whole racing thing anyways so I really dont know too much. Its just whenever something seems too good to be true it isn't true. It seems more like people imbelish a tiny bit making them seem better or cooler or for whatever reason, to promote a company who knows.

I am NOT saying these people are lying... I would just like to understand alot more about the run. I am still learning also I mean come on... my car is capable of 10's at enough boost and low 11's at the boost I ran. I hit a high 12 OBviously I got issues.. I mean how many people you know hit a 14 at 116mph?

 

Use me as an example then by viewing my sig...

13.1@104 after dynoing 248awhp in stock form. Only a 1.92 60', so 13.0 or even 12.9 was possible if I had known how to disconnect the 5k launch limiter. My 248awhp equates to right 295bhp if you use a 16% parasitic loss (310bhp with 20%)

I then gained about 20whp with my S-AFC, evidenced by my 12.83@106.3 (~270awhp?)

Finally, after adding cat-back, MBC, and MR DV, I got about 50awhp using a mix of 104/93 oct and ran 12.22@109 (best mph was 111, but 4th gear rev limits at 111). This would indicate ~320awhp.

All of these seem to fall in line, so to get 115mph, I'd need another 40whp or so to put me near 360, I guess. That's what the thread originator would have needed for the 12.0@115.

Btw, my highest 1/8th-mile mph was 89.52, and that was only once late at night in cool weather. My next best was 88.7, but most were in the high 87s.

 

I am getting confused I honestly just for some reason dont buy it. So sue me :P

I guess I am saying that at 22psi of boost, stock turbo and thier mods, it doesnt seem right to me. To pick up that many more mph than you did takes power. Think of thier mods and yours and figure out how they got 50 more than you got... also think about what your boost was when you made that run and thiers... 22 psi doesnt seem right at all. Im sure yours was around 25ish? I may be wrong in the whole idea but for some reason it doesnt seem right. Who cares really anyways honestly? I enjoy driving and thats that. I just have too many people tell me how fast thier car is but whenever I finally give them the time of day and line up with them they lose horribly. Mustangs are VERY common... most with superchargers and whatnot that claim to have 500 at the crank but somehow lose to me at 19psi... god forbid I run a little more like 25. Oh well, I dont really care, I was just *****y because of my crappy times from my tranny and my lack of knowledge and skill of launching the bigger turbo. I hope to rectify the launch and HOPEFULLY the transmission problem before next Sunday to try again. Hopefully I will get thrown off the track for hitting an 11.49

 

Ok, here is my timeslip that Jay ran at Lebanon Dragway. Trinababe...I know that people are out there and say a lot of BS but I can honestly say that this run is 100% real and I am very excited that it went that fast. I have no reason to make up a story, thats not my character.

Jay is VERY good at what he does and goes beyond what most will do-thinking outside the box if you will. He made the most out of that car with the modifications that it had and gave it an aggressive tune for the track. It just goes to show that you don't need to just start throwing thousands of dollars at the car and think that if I spend a lot of money and do what everyone else says to do that your gonna go fast. He has always had a knack for anything he puts his hands on...if you take a deeper look into what he does for a living, you will see that. He is doing things that no one has been able to do successfully as of yet. www.hasspower.com

Ok, here are the details (I don't have a scanner so I can't scan it for you)

60ft 1.744
330 5.037
1/8 7.749
MPH 90.13
1000 10.094
1/4 12.04
MPH 115.8

The limiter was disconected. If it wasn't then there is no way you will get a 1.7 60ft. So, you can believe what you want, It doesn't matter to me. I wanted to information to be out there so people realize that you can run fast with these cars and not need cams, feul pump, etc. in order to do it.

 

I don't think I realized this was an 05 when I first read it. Seeing as how I'm hitting 111mph with a cat-back and a 104/93 oct mix on 22 psi, I'm not too surprised by the 116mph with no exhaust and C16. I wouldn't be able to hit 116mph due to having the 6spd, but on a 5spd, it makes more sense. I also don't have any IC or intake modifications, so if that's a spot where Jay is finding more power, then that's an additional factor beyond what I have. I would venture to guess that I could pull 114mph out of an 05 with MBC/TBE/S-AFC/C16, but probably not 116...maybe 115 at low temps. =)

 

its not to far off
I ran 12.1 last year with stock clutch, cam, injectors, and fmic i had alittle more boost (24psi) and an AEM but i didn't have a 10.5 turbo and i was running 18" wheels

the car was just driven like it was stolen

 

Well, cams, injectors, and aftermarket FMIC are pretty huge mods, so I don't understand the comparison. ET is also not important for comparison here(12.0 vs 12.1), but rather trap speed, since the 116mph was the most significant factor in the posting of this thread, despite the thread title. I wouldn't consider 12.1 with those mods to be driven like it's stolen either, especially at 24psi. Sounds more like a leisurely walk in the park...

 

hello STOCK cams STOCK injectors STOCK clutch and STOCK fmic SMALLER STOCK turbo
my mph was 113, 114

 

I only saw stock clutch. Yes, 113-114 is very good and was definitely driven like a bat out of hell with so few mods.