18th Annual DSM/EVO Shootout
Aug 23, 2010, 08:29 PM
#256
If only it was that easy! Head gaskets don't seem to appreciate the 1100whp it takes to move 2800lbs down the 1/4 in less than 8 seconds even with o-rings and hard block to the water pump! I suppose dropping some weight would be the easiest route, but keep in mind tube chassis cars can't compete in the Q16.
Just think what 2400lbs with driver will do at ~900whp.. which i know i can make 50+ passes and 250 dyno pulls on 1 Buschur motor.. I have already done it..
Been racing a long time.. You turn up the car to 1100 hp when you need it.. Not to qualify in a field of 8 cars or to eliminate car thats 1 second slower.. Sleeping on the tree not wise either..
Mike
Last edited by AWD Motorsports; Aug 23, 2010 at 08:35 PM.
Aug 23, 2010, 08:34 PM
#257
Some of you need banned from the race for stupidity.
I had my meeting with the track today. Some thieves stole banners from the track, I was charged $760 for this stupidity.
Jet ski in the pool......luckily I got the license number for the Ohio plated eve today, I'll pass that on to Norwalk police tomorrow.
The hotel rates have nothing to do with the shootout, it's the huge amusement park and lake Erie summer travelers that do that. Trashing the hotels is stupid and childish. Making an excuse why it's ok to disrespect someone elses property is even dumber.
I am ashamed of a lot of you and HATE being associated with you by the local people here.
I had my meeting with the track today. Some thieves stole banners from the track, I was charged $760 for this stupidity.
Jet ski in the pool......luckily I got the license number for the Ohio plated eve today, I'll pass that on to Norwalk police tomorrow.
The hotel rates have nothing to do with the shootout, it's the huge amusement park and lake Erie summer travelers that do that. Trashing the hotels is stupid and childish. Making an excuse why it's ok to disrespect someone elses property is even dumber.
I am ashamed of a lot of you and HATE being associated with you by the local people here.
Aug 23, 2010, 08:41 PM
#258
Correct tube cars cant.. Tubbed rear SRA like yours can though.. I wont be using an Auto trans and wont need 1100hp.. or being using a 2.4L.. Dont worry..
Just think what 2400lbs with driver will do at ~900whp.. which i know i can make 50+ passes and 250 dyno pulls on 1 Buschur motor.. I have already done it..
Been racing a long time.. You turn up the car to 1100 hp when you need it.. Not to qualify in a field of 8 cars or to eliminate car thats 1 second slower.. Sleeping on the tree not wise either..
Mike
Just think what 2400lbs with driver will do at ~900whp.. which i know i can make 50+ passes and 250 dyno pulls on 1 Buschur motor.. I have already done it..
Been racing a long time.. You turn up the car to 1100 hp when you need it.. Not to qualify in a field of 8 cars or to eliminate car thats 1 second slower.. Sleeping on the tree not wise either..
Mike
Aug 23, 2010, 08:42 PM
#259
Best of luck to you sir. In our case we weren't trying to win the class, we were trying to run in the 7s and join a very elite group. I'm confident we will get there very soon. In regards to sleeping on the tree it takes a moment to get up on the converter and I wasn't in any rush ;-)
Mike
Aug 24, 2010, 07:48 AM
#261
I'd personally love to build another RWD car but the racing for it isn't there.
Consider we were the first ever to run 7's with a 4g63, did it on a STOCK DSM ECU, VPC/GCC for fuel management. We did it on OLD turbo technology, stock graphite DSM head gasket, oh boy the list of things that we didn't have or know then.
Then I look at the Conquest, 8.5's at 156, same set up, heavy, power windows, 10" tire and a 12 bolt rear.
It would be brainless for us to put together a 7 second car now that would run all year, that is meant as NO insult to you Chris. I just know the power we made then and what we make now and how long the stuff lasts. The engine in my RS would run all year without touching it and put the tube car deeper in the 7's than it was and the Conquest damn close to 7's.
We have Alberts car down in Aruba. RWD Civic with a 4g63. I was down there over 3 years ago to tune it, he's not touched that engine since then and it's gone as fast as 7.61 at 175 mph. The car is for sale now.
Just no real venues for a car of that caliber anymore (tube chassis RWD), import racing as it was in the late 90's early 2000's is gone, NOPI/NHRA ruined it and now that chapter for the most part is closed.
Thanks God we still have the shootout and it's doing well!
Consider we were the first ever to run 7's with a 4g63, did it on a STOCK DSM ECU, VPC/GCC for fuel management. We did it on OLD turbo technology, stock graphite DSM head gasket, oh boy the list of things that we didn't have or know then.
Then I look at the Conquest, 8.5's at 156, same set up, heavy, power windows, 10" tire and a 12 bolt rear.
It would be brainless for us to put together a 7 second car now that would run all year, that is meant as NO insult to you Chris. I just know the power we made then and what we make now and how long the stuff lasts. The engine in my RS would run all year without touching it and put the tube car deeper in the 7's than it was and the Conquest damn close to 7's.
We have Alberts car down in Aruba. RWD Civic with a 4g63. I was down there over 3 years ago to tune it, he's not touched that engine since then and it's gone as fast as 7.61 at 175 mph. The car is for sale now.
Just no real venues for a car of that caliber anymore (tube chassis RWD), import racing as it was in the late 90's early 2000's is gone, NOPI/NHRA ruined it and now that chapter for the most part is closed.
Thanks God we still have the shootout and it's doing well!
Aug 24, 2010, 08:07 AM
#262
I'd personally love to build another RWD car but the racing for it isn't there.
Consider we were the first ever to run 7's with a 4g63, did it on a STOCK DSM ECU, VPC/GCC for fuel management. We did it on OLD turbo technology, stock graphite DSM head gasket, oh boy the list of things that we didn't have or know then.
Then I look at the Conquest, 8.5's at 156, same set up, heavy, power windows, 10" tire and a 12 bolt rear.
It would be brainless for us to put together a 7 second car now that would run all year, that is meant as NO insult to you Chris. I just know the power we made then and what we make now and how long the stuff lasts. The engine in my RS would run all year without touching it and put the tube car deeper in the 7's than it was and the Conquest damn close to 7's.
We have Alberts car down in Aruba. RWD Civic with a 4g63. I was down there over 3 years ago to tune it, he's not touched that engine since then and it's gone as fast as 7.61 at 175 mph. The car is for sale now.
Just no real venues for a car of that caliber anymore (tube chassis RWD), import racing as it was in the late 90's early 2000's is gone, NOPI/NHRA ruined it and now that chapter for the most part is closed.
Thanks God we still have the shootout and it's doing well!
Consider we were the first ever to run 7's with a 4g63, did it on a STOCK DSM ECU, VPC/GCC for fuel management. We did it on OLD turbo technology, stock graphite DSM head gasket, oh boy the list of things that we didn't have or know then.
Then I look at the Conquest, 8.5's at 156, same set up, heavy, power windows, 10" tire and a 12 bolt rear.
It would be brainless for us to put together a 7 second car now that would run all year, that is meant as NO insult to you Chris. I just know the power we made then and what we make now and how long the stuff lasts. The engine in my RS would run all year without touching it and put the tube car deeper in the 7's than it was and the Conquest damn close to 7's.
We have Alberts car down in Aruba. RWD Civic with a 4g63. I was down there over 3 years ago to tune it, he's not touched that engine since then and it's gone as fast as 7.61 at 175 mph. The car is for sale now.
Just no real venues for a car of that caliber anymore (tube chassis RWD), import racing as it was in the late 90's early 2000's is gone, NOPI/NHRA ruined it and now that chapter for the most part is closed.
Thanks God we still have the shootout and it's doing well!
On another note, do you happen to recall the weight of any of the cars you mentioned? If we could drop some weight and get down to the 2400lbs with driver that Mike suggested we could make an identical pass with 150whp less (~940whp) and I'm confident we could keep the head gasket in the car at that power level. Getting to 2400lbs is the difficult part though as we're trying to keep this thing a "streetable" car lol.
Last edited by ChrisCarey; Aug 24, 2010 at 08:14 AM.
Aug 24, 2010, 08:26 AM
#263
The tube chassis car was about 2250 with me in it if I remember correctly. It was way to light, if I had to do it over again we'd build the car differently. The Conquest was 2650 if I remember right, with Kevin in it. It wasn't even back halved, stock wheel tubs in that car.
The Honda is probably close to 2450 with the driver in it, that car retained the factory rockers and factory floor in some of it, it was very rigid and works really well.
My tube car had a best sixty foot of 1.10. The Conquest ran consistent 1.30's on a 10" tire.
The Honda is probably close to 2450 with the driver in it, that car retained the factory rockers and factory floor in some of it, it was very rigid and works really well.
My tube car had a best sixty foot of 1.10. The Conquest ran consistent 1.30's on a 10" tire.
Aug 24, 2010, 08:40 AM
#264
The tube chassis car was about 2250 with me in it if I remember correctly. It was way to light, if I had to do it over again we'd build the car differently. The Conquest was 2650 if I remember right, with Kevin in it. It wasn't even back halved, stock wheel tubs in that car.
The Honda is probably close to 2450 with the driver in it, that car retained the factory rockers and factory floor in some of it, it was very rigid and works really well.
My tube car had a best sixty foot of 1.10. The Conquest ran consistent 1.30's on a 10" tire.
The Honda is probably close to 2450 with the driver in it, that car retained the factory rockers and factory floor in some of it, it was very rigid and works really well.
My tube car had a best sixty foot of 1.10. The Conquest ran consistent 1.30's on a 10" tire.
Aug 24, 2010, 08:53 AM
#265
None of the cars ran methanol, we ran Sunoco 118 back then, Albert runs Q16. We all ran powerglides and the Honda still does.
The tube car and Conquest on our Dynojet back then, because of converter losses only put down under 700 whp at the time. As stupid as this is going to sound, power is over rated for going fast, there is a lot more to getting any car down the track than how much WHP it makes, that is for sure.
I'm not selling myself short on the 7's, I bring it up when I feel I need to, haha. The reality is it's not very hard to do with a RWD drag car, doing it now, nearly 10 years later would be easy is all.
I think it's much more of a challenge to run 8's in a real street car with a 5 speed than it was to go 7's. Trying to get my RS in the 8's has kicked my butt but with a street car I've put severe limitations on the car, or the 8's would have been done with it already too. Like keeping the big brakes, full interior, air bags, door beams, wipers, full exhaust and running two mufflers etc., that stuff makes it tough. Keeping the power band nice and wide makes it tough too, throwing a big laggy turbo on the car so I can throw another 200 whp at it would make it a little easier..
Anyway, love the RX7.
The tube car and Conquest on our Dynojet back then, because of converter losses only put down under 700 whp at the time. As stupid as this is going to sound, power is over rated for going fast, there is a lot more to getting any car down the track than how much WHP it makes, that is for sure.
I'm not selling myself short on the 7's, I bring it up when I feel I need to, haha. The reality is it's not very hard to do with a RWD drag car, doing it now, nearly 10 years later would be easy is all.
I think it's much more of a challenge to run 8's in a real street car with a 5 speed than it was to go 7's. Trying to get my RS in the 8's has kicked my butt but with a street car I've put severe limitations on the car, or the 8's would have been done with it already too. Like keeping the big brakes, full interior, air bags, door beams, wipers, full exhaust and running two mufflers etc., that stuff makes it tough. Keeping the power band nice and wide makes it tough too, throwing a big laggy turbo on the car so I can throw another 200 whp at it would make it a little easier..
Anyway, love the RX7.
Aug 24, 2010, 09:02 AM
#266
I'd personally love to build another RWD car but the racing for it isn't there.
Consider we were the first ever to run 7's with a 4g63, did it on a STOCK DSM ECU, VPC/GCC for fuel management. We did it on OLD turbo technology, stock graphite DSM head gasket, oh boy the list of things that we didn't have or know then.
Then I look at the Conquest, 8.5's at 156, same set up, heavy, power windows, 10" tire and a 12 bolt rear.
It would be brainless for us to put together a 7 second car now that would run all year, that is meant as NO insult to you Chris. I just know the power we made then and what we make now and how long the stuff lasts. The engine in my RS would run all year without touching it and put the tube car deeper in the 7's than it was and the Conquest damn close to 7's.
We have Alberts car down in Aruba. RWD Civic with a 4g63. I was down there over 3 years ago to tune it, he's not touched that engine since then and it's gone as fast as 7.61 at 175 mph. The car is for sale now.
Just no real venues for a car of that caliber anymore (tube chassis RWD), import racing as it was in the late 90's early 2000's is gone, NOPI/NHRA ruined it and now that chapter for the most part is closed.
Thanks God we still have the shootout and it's doing well!
Consider we were the first ever to run 7's with a 4g63, did it on a STOCK DSM ECU, VPC/GCC for fuel management. We did it on OLD turbo technology, stock graphite DSM head gasket, oh boy the list of things that we didn't have or know then.
Then I look at the Conquest, 8.5's at 156, same set up, heavy, power windows, 10" tire and a 12 bolt rear.
It would be brainless for us to put together a 7 second car now that would run all year, that is meant as NO insult to you Chris. I just know the power we made then and what we make now and how long the stuff lasts. The engine in my RS would run all year without touching it and put the tube car deeper in the 7's than it was and the Conquest damn close to 7's.
We have Alberts car down in Aruba. RWD Civic with a 4g63. I was down there over 3 years ago to tune it, he's not touched that engine since then and it's gone as fast as 7.61 at 175 mph. The car is for sale now.
Just no real venues for a car of that caliber anymore (tube chassis RWD), import racing as it was in the late 90's early 2000's is gone, NOPI/NHRA ruined it and now that chapter for the most part is closed.
Thanks God we still have the shootout and it's doing well!
Or do you all think it will remain more of a grassroots type following?
I know i'm probably not the only one that would love to see more "pro" level competition similar to what seems to be the case in PR w/ there tube cars..........probably just a pipe dream i guess
Aug 24, 2010, 09:08 AM
#267
There were at least two RWD 1g's at the shootout that probably don't share that same opinion lol. I'm honestly considering ditching the headlights, passenger seat, glass, dash, and huge radiator / intercooler to make this feat a little easier, but then we wouldn't be able to cruise the hotel parking lots next year lol.
Aug 31, 2010, 12:02 PM
#270
Easy for you maybe as you've already been down that road There were at least two RWD 1g's at the shootout that probably don't share that same opinion lol. I'm honestly considering ditching the headlights, passenger seat, glass, dash, and huge radiator / intercooler to make this feat a little easier, but then we wouldn't be able to cruise the hotel parking lots next year lol.
There were at least two RWD 1g's at the shootout that probably don't share that same opinion lol. I'm honestly considering ditching the headlights, passenger seat, glass, dash, and huge radiator / intercooler to make this feat a little easier, but then we wouldn't be able to cruise the hotel parking lots next year lol.
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