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Old Jan 30, 2004 | 08:06 AM
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Handling oversteer

This topic was touched on in another thread, by MP5 I think. But anyway I want to cover it again before next time.

When oversteer is detected what should the initial reaction be? Hammer the throttle more? Ease off the throttle? Correcting with steering, at least to me, seems like the worst thing you could do. With AWD wouldn't this just pull you out of your line even more?

As I mentioned in another thread, I only seem to get oversteer when exiting corners (even though it is soo slight) but what is the best way to manage it?
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 12:08 AM
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Sounds to me like you want a little more throttle when exiting the corners. Try accelerating through the second half of the turn. Like a FWD, you can induce oversteer by letting off the gas quickly, and pull out of it by pointing the wheels and hitting the throttle. The only thing to watch with a 300 hp AWD car is throttle steer, which FWD doesn't have to worry about. So ask another Evo owner about that (my 130 hp Lancer has never had a problem with too much power through a turn )
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 11:13 AM
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There are several solutions. You could Apex later, but this would hurt your times. I, personally, treat oversteer with trailing throttle, much like the last post said. The important thing is to do anything in moderation, and not to overeact. It is usually a hasty and incorrect solution to a small problem that gets you in BIG trouble.

Most of all thought, practice in a controlled environment, on a track that has LOTS of run-off, in case you make a mistake. The evo will go over, if you go ooff in in a 90 slide. If you get loose, and you can't save it, straigten up and go off track, in control.

MHO, of course.
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 04:56 PM
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Re: Handling oversteer

Originally posted by mayhem
When oversteer is detected what should the initial reaction be? Hammer the throttle more? Ease off the throttle? Correcting with steering, at least to me, seems like the worst thing you could do. With AWD wouldn't this just pull you out of your line even more?
You definitely do NOT want to "hammer" anything!!! The basic idea is to keep your throttle fairly stable and correct with streering. If you are oversteering due to excessive throttle, then you can ease off slightly. If you are oversteering because of a trailing throttle, then you can bleed a little more on. Either way, your throttle control has to be subtle.

The simple thing to do is just look where you want to go. I know it sounds stupid, but if you just turn your head where you want to go, you will naturally do the right thing (countersteer, pause, and unwind). If you concsiously have to think about what to do, you'll probably screw up.

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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 05:33 PM
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Something that i am currently trying to get a lil more control of is drifting to in a sharp let turn... I feel like i have 3 times more control to the right, but to the left i get a false sense of the car's angle, i have i have fish tailed due to - to much throttle...

I think i need some more practice...
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 05:59 PM
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I have been experimenting a lot with oversteering the Evo. So far, I've oversteered (intentionally) on pavement, gravel, snow, wet pavement and dirt. BY FAR the most controllable surface is gravel. Now I understand how those WRC guys can be so accurate with their steering on gravel. Once you flick, you can modulate the throttle to go forward at a pretty wild angle. I held a 30-degree drift through a slight bend while I was on an access road to a driving school. To correct it only required a slight flick back to the right. Amazing stuff...

On snow, assuming you have snow tires, it requires more planning, i.e. you need to set up your next turn BEFORE you get there. But the Evo is still easy to catch and adjust.

As far as the throttle goes, once you are sideways, intentionally or not, KEEP THE THROTTLE IN THE SAME POSITION!!! Don't mash the gas or lift off - either one will take you from a controllable situation to an out-of-control situation very quickly. If you maintain steady throttle, all that is required is very slight corrections on the steering. When I say slight, I am taking 1-2 degrees of adjustment. The Evo will just fall right back into line. This is what makes the Evo so confidence-inspiring and forgiving.

Last note - on tarmac/pavement/asphalt, you will really need to overcook it to get the Evo sideways. The combination of grip and AWD will work to keep the Evo pointed straight. If you do end up sideways on tarmac, you'll need more adjustment than I mentioned above, but the steady throttle is still a requirement.

Make sure you practice this stuff in a safe environment and have fun!!

Chris
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Old Feb 21, 2004 | 01:13 AM
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if you can get use of a wide open space (tarmac or dirt) one of the best ways to learn oversteer or drifting is to set up various turns out of highway cones and see how smoothly you can drift around them. Start with an even 180 degree wide sweeping turn. get a running start and go into the turn until the car starts to slip. Blip off the gas for a moment to get it sideways, now hold the throttle and countersteer while looking at the end of the corner. Ideally, you should be able to have the inside front corner of the car following the line of cones within about a foot. Then start making different types of turns (decreasing radius is will favor drifting the most), and learn the proper lines through them, then see how controlling the drift can allow you an even more aggresive line.
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Old Feb 27, 2004 | 01:54 PM
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Re: Handling oversteer

Originally posted by mayhem
When oversteer is detected what should the initial reaction be? Hammer the throttle more?
This is a good way to create some tire smoke and bring out a yellow flag (assuming you're on a track). If you're trying to go fast, you should never hammer anything - brakes included. Smooth is the key. To correct oversteer, I prefer a tiny bit of extra throttle and counter steering. AWD gives you a lot of options, as far as how much to use the throttle (since you can both "pull" the car a la FWD or "push" the car a la RWD) .
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