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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 05:27 PM
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setting up Zeo ECA and FF sensor

Shouldnt a 40% alcohol by volume (like the gin I used to test the sensor) register as E40?

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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 06:54 PM
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I'm pretty sure the sensor is measuring the dielectric properties of the gas/ethanol mixture to find the percentage of ethanol (ethanol is more conductive than gasolione). Since your have no gasoline in your drink there, I don't think it will work how you are thinking.

Just looked up some values for dielectric constant at 25C

Ethanol - 24
Gasoline -2
Water - 80

So, that shows why your results aren't what you expect. Your sensor isn't an alcohol sensor...it's a calibrated sensor to determine the ratio of alcohol to gasoline.

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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 07:19 PM
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The problem is exactly as stated by 12r99qst-- This is the very same issue that a Kent Moore test kit in a GM shop will do if they leave the sample on the tester too long. The moisture acquired from air in such a tiny sample happens quickly and will render the results useless.
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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 08:16 PM
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ahh so its really not an ethanol content gauge, more an ethanol ratio gauge.....

Thanks!
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Old Aug 12, 2010 | 09:30 AM
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GM flex fuel sensor was designed to detect ethanol content in petrol not to be your cocktail mix helper.
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Old Aug 12, 2010 | 02:12 PM
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but...but...it seems like... some of these bars around here really water down the booze.
Could it be re-calibrated???
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Old Aug 12, 2010 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Garth
but...but...it seems like... some of these bars around here really water down the booze.
Could it be re-calibrated???
Heck- the bars will likely buy one to try to tell us they are serving everclear.
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Old Aug 12, 2010 | 03:00 PM
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BTW, what car is this installed in ? The rear view mirror and sunglass holder don't look like an Evo.
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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 05:01 AM
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A twin 6262 g35, but there's not much E85 goin on in the VQ forums.
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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 08:07 AM
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Sweet, post some pics/stats on the car
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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 11:15 AM
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Pretty standard build with dual intank walbros, PTE1200cc, Haltech, JWT cams but super laggy with the 3.5l.

Rebuilding right now with a 3.8L BC stroker, carrillo rods to push the power to the left some.

Getting parts together for the E85 swap when I get the motor back.
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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 11:18 AM
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Very nice! Are there any single turbo kits for your car? You could spool a huge turbo pretty fast with all 6 cylinders and move the curve well to the left.
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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 11:33 AM
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or do twin turbos but use a smaller snail.
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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 12:12 PM
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Wow! Peak torque at 7,000 rpm. That G35 must spin the tires at the END of a 0-60 sprint!
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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 1outlaw
The problem is exactly as stated by 12r99qst-- This is the very same issue that a Kent Moore test kit in a GM shop will do if they leave the sample on the tester too long. The moisture acquired from air in such a tiny sample happens quickly and will render the results useless.
When we test ECAs we have a small sample of E-85 exposed to the air. E85 is so hydroscopic it dehumifies the room After a while it reads E86, then E87 and so on. I tested some ECAs today fresh of assembly line and I got E94. Had to dispose the sample and get fresh E-85.
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