Which Wideband For EcuFlash?
Originally Posted by nj1266
Does it work with a Garmin Ique 3600 PDA? That is the PDA that I have. If not, then I am not getting another PDA.
http://www.pocketlogger.com/index.php?pid=plzt
Originally Posted by nj1266
I looked on your website under "wideband O2 and Meters" and there is no mention of Innovate.
http://ttp-engineering.com/catalog/i...dbd75941715da1
Please point me to the link on your web site where you list the Innovate products.
http://ttp-engineering.com/catalog/i...dbd75941715da1
Please point me to the link on your web site where you list the Innovate products.
To reiterate, if someone wants one I will sell them one, but not before I review the products facts and reliability track record with them. The local dyno usually is a great source of information on widebands reliability also. Many are equipped with their own dyno accessory wideband units and comparisons in AFR accuracy can be done between the dyno read AFR's and each customer's own unit.
Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
I do not list them. I don't have a great deal of confidence in their product which is why it is not listed. It does not mean that I do not sell them. No vendor has every product at their disposal listed on their site.
To reiterate, if someone wants one I will sell them one, but not before I review the products facts and reliability track record with them. The local dyno usually is a great source of information on widebands reliability also. Many are equipped with their own dyno accessory wideband units and comparisons in AFR accuracy can be done between the dyno read AFR's and each customer's own unit.
To reiterate, if someone wants one I will sell them one, but not before I review the products facts and reliability track record with them. The local dyno usually is a great source of information on widebands reliability also. Many are equipped with their own dyno accessory wideband units and comparisons in AFR accuracy can be done between the dyno read AFR's and each customer's own unit.
It is well known that the the Dyno wide band which is taken at the tail pipe will usually read leaner than a wide band tkane at the down pipe. There are two reasons for this:
1. Air contamination from the tail pipe that makes it to the wide band sensor
2. If the car is equipped with a cat, then you will get leaner results.
I did a test on my EVO on the dyno. I hooked up my Innovate and the operator hooked up his wideband O2 at the tail pipe. My car had a test pipe. In general the reading from the tail pipe were 0.3-0.4 leaner than the readings from innovate on the downpipe. This was consistent and repeated with 31 dyno runs.
I would love it if someone would do the same with a Zeitronix and give us the results. Better yet, you do it and come back and report the results to us.
Originally Posted by nj1266
You keep on trashing the reliability of the unit and you have no evidence that it is not reliable or accurate.
It is well known that the the Dyno wide band which is taken at the tail pipe will usually read leaner than a wide band tkane at the down pipe. There are two reasons for this:
1. Air contamination from the tail pipe that makes it to the wide band sensor
2. If the car is equipped with a cat, then you will get leaner results.
I did a test on my EVO on the dyno. I hooked up my Innovate and the operator hooked up his wideband O2 at the tail pipe. My car had a test pipe. In general the reading from the tail pipe were 0.3-0.4 leaner than the readings from innovate on the downpipe. This was consistent and repeated with 31 dyno runs.
I would love it if someone would do the same with a Zeitronix and give us the results. Better yet, you do it and come back and report the results to us.
It is well known that the the Dyno wide band which is taken at the tail pipe will usually read leaner than a wide band tkane at the down pipe. There are two reasons for this:
1. Air contamination from the tail pipe that makes it to the wide band sensor
2. If the car is equipped with a cat, then you will get leaner results.
I did a test on my EVO on the dyno. I hooked up my Innovate and the operator hooked up his wideband O2 at the tail pipe. My car had a test pipe. In general the reading from the tail pipe were 0.3-0.4 leaner than the readings from innovate on the downpipe. This was consistent and repeated with 31 dyno runs.
I would love it if someone would do the same with a Zeitronix and give us the results. Better yet, you do it and come back and report the results to us.
Zeitronix was tested against many others for accuracy. I just sent an email to them to see if I can get a hold of the article where this testing took place. I think they sent it to me once before, but not seeing it in my email history... I will post up if I can get a hold of this article.
Originally Posted by racegate
Are just the LM-1's having issue? I had the Innovate LC-1+XD-16 (Bosch sensor) in my car and compared it back to back with my FJO (NTK sensor) and they both read the exact same.
i've had less than stellar feedback on the zeitronix unit.
The Zeitronix has some less than stellar reviews from my BMW buddies.
Apparantly if the cable is fried/burnt say from the exhaust heat if also fries the brain unit.
And good luck trying to get help/warranty from them. It seems like if anything goes wrong it's the user's fault.
I'll probably go with the Innovate unit. I've heard only good thing about that product. More specifically the XD-16/LC-1 combo.
Apparantly if the cable is fried/burnt say from the exhaust heat if also fries the brain unit.
And good luck trying to get help/warranty from them. It seems like if anything goes wrong it's the user's fault.
I'll probably go with the Innovate unit. I've heard only good thing about that product. More specifically the XD-16/LC-1 combo.
Originally Posted by racegate
Are just the LM-1's having issue? I had the Innovate LC-1+XD-16 (Bosch sensor) in my car and compared it back to back with my FJO (NTK sensor) and they both read the exact same.
Originally Posted by anjapower
must be...the xd-16 with lc-1 seems to be the best wideband from what I've gathered (word of mouth).
i've had less than stellar feedback on the zeitronix unit.
i've had less than stellar feedback on the zeitronix unit.
Originally Posted by kapolani
The Zeitronix has some less than stellar reviews from my BMW buddies.
Apparantly if the cable is fried/burnt say from the exhaust heat if also fries the brain unit.
And good luck trying to get help/warranty from them. It seems like if anything goes wrong it's the user's fault.
I'll probably go with the Innovate unit. I've heard only good thing about that product. More specifically the XD-16/LC-1 combo.
Apparantly if the cable is fried/burnt say from the exhaust heat if also fries the brain unit.
And good luck trying to get help/warranty from them. It seems like if anything goes wrong it's the user's fault.
I'll probably go with the Innovate unit. I've heard only good thing about that product. More specifically the XD-16/LC-1 combo.
Originally Posted by anjapower
i have heard from zeitronix users that the lcd display is unresponsive, thus inaccurate. it's data refresh rate is not very good. I am guessing you could get around this by going straight to a laptop...
The Zeitronix has some less than stellar reviews from my BMW buddies.
Apparantly if the cable is fried/burnt say from the exhaust heat if also fries the brain unit.
And good luck trying to get help/warranty from them. It seems like if anything goes wrong it's the user's fault.
I'll probably go with the Innovate unit. I've heard only good thing about that product. More specifically the XD-16/LC-1 combo.
Apparantly if the cable is fried/burnt say from the exhaust heat if also fries the brain unit.
And good luck trying to get help/warranty from them. It seems like if anything goes wrong it's the user's fault.
I'll probably go with the Innovate unit. I've heard only good thing about that product. More specifically the XD-16/LC-1 combo.
Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
The LCD display is fast. It is not as fast as the Laptop however at the full 74 samples per second. Most people I find, totally change their tune when they actually try it or see another tuner use it. It is crack for your Evo and the best tuning tool available.
I have yet to have any warranty claims on a Zeitronix wideband.
I have yet to have any warranty claims on a Zeitronix wideband.
He also says that the LCD units have died on him in the cold weather. Perhaps that isn't a problem in sunny Florida....
Originally Posted by anjapower
My friend has installed many of these units for customers and that is what he has said. His personal opinion, as a friend, was to avoid the Zeitronix
He also says that the LCD units have died on him in the cold weather. Perhaps that isn't a problem in sunny Florida....
He also says that the LCD units have died on him in the cold weather. Perhaps that isn't a problem in sunny Florida....
I saw a post once about a guy having an issue with a ZT2 unit purchased from another vendor. Never having any claims, I was curious how this could be. I inquired with Zeitronix about the situation and here was their response.
----- Original Message -----
From: xxxxxxx@zeitronix.com
To: Track & Tarmac Performance Engineering
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: thread
We help our customers ASAP.
We tortured the unit environmentally (cold, hot, vibration) just to make sure there is no intermittent problems. After inspecting the O2 sensor it came about that the O2 sensor he sent with the unit is taped shut at the connector with black electrical tape. The wideband O2 sensor needs a free oxygen for proper operation. The air enters the O2 sensor at the connector right where the wires come out of the protective hi temp loom. Bosch sensor spec says to not cover the sensor, paint or spray with the car undercoating otherwise the O2 sensor will not operate properly. In order to sense a rich mixture (below 14.7) the sensor needs to pump the oxygen into the cell. This oxygen comes from air outside the sensor. We tortured the unit some more, tested the O2 sensor to make sure it's all good, upgraded the Zt-2 for free to the latest specs, upgraded the harnessing, shipped back free of charge to him.
Thanks
Zeitronix Inc
From: xxxxxxx@zeitronix.com
To: Track & Tarmac Performance Engineering
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: thread
We help our customers ASAP.
We tortured the unit environmentally (cold, hot, vibration) just to make sure there is no intermittent problems. After inspecting the O2 sensor it came about that the O2 sensor he sent with the unit is taped shut at the connector with black electrical tape. The wideband O2 sensor needs a free oxygen for proper operation. The air enters the O2 sensor at the connector right where the wires come out of the protective hi temp loom. Bosch sensor spec says to not cover the sensor, paint or spray with the car undercoating otherwise the O2 sensor will not operate properly. In order to sense a rich mixture (below 14.7) the sensor needs to pump the oxygen into the cell. This oxygen comes from air outside the sensor. We tortured the unit some more, tested the O2 sensor to make sure it's all good, upgraded the Zt-2 for free to the latest specs, upgraded the harnessing, shipped back free of charge to him.
Thanks
Zeitronix Inc
My exprience with the LM-1 has been near perfect. I have had zero problems. I have had one Error message and I simply made a free air calibration and it was gone. Innovate recommends a free air calibration every now and then for those who have their Innovate permanently on their cars.
I have posted on the Innovate forums and got replies. I have called Innovate customer service and talked to their head engineer, Klaus Almendinger. I talked to him for close to 20 minutes trying to diagnose an AFR spike on my EVO since the Evo ignition is less than stellar if you up the boost on the car. He answered every question I had.
Check out the Innovate web site http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/index.html and then check out their forums http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/forums/index.php
I have posted on the Innovate forums and got replies. I have called Innovate customer service and talked to their head engineer, Klaus Almendinger. I talked to him for close to 20 minutes trying to diagnose an AFR spike on my EVO since the Evo ignition is less than stellar if you up the boost on the car. He answered every question I had.
Check out the Innovate web site http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/index.html and then check out their forums http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/forums/index.php