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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 07:38 AM
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wow, my car must be uber sensitive to knock because I can get 1* of timing pulled for a single count.

I did have the p0300 reflash though so that might have something to do with it. I'm going to compare my knock sensor filter maps with MalibuJacks posted roms
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 07:47 AM
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I get 1 count of knock at 3500 RPM on a 1000-8000 rpm pull in 3rd gear. other than that. none. 4th gear get 1 @ 3800rpm 1 counts at 4500. on the same 1000-8000 rpm pull
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 08:24 AM
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On my built engine, which had the balance shafts removed, I get consistant "phantom" knock at partial throttle acceleration between 3000 - 4000 RPM. This is pretty much the expected range where a lack of balance shafts would generate the most noise. Knock counts anywhere from a mild 1-1-2-2-1-1 type pattern to something like 3-5-7-10-7-5-3... I've been starting to make very small adjustments to the knock filters in the affected load cells. I'm also occassionally getting one count of phantom knock around 7000 RPM, which is an area that I'm not yet really comfortable adjusting my knock filters for. Hopefully I can make some headway in understanding how the various filters work at the lower RPM.

Also, I have seen pretty much the same behaviour as MalibuJack as far as knock counts go, ie.: "it takes 7 counts to alter the octane number, and over 4 to alter my timing.. 3's don't tend to affect timing unless it occurs 3 samples or more in a row.."

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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 08:41 AM
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I have seen 1 count affect timing 1 * FYI...
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mivecless
I have seen 1 count affect timing 1 * FYI...
I see the same thing. In fact 1 count always pulls timing. BTW as I stand the High Octane and Low Octane maps are flat. I have a "custom" DynoFlash tune with the standard block of timing numbers...I will be making changes now that I finally have my wideband installed.

I guess that is why Al has the same high and low maps the same. The knock protection is more aggresive. Also it takes more work to back off the low octane map after the car has been "tooned". After all "time is money" LOL.

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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Ludikraut
Also, I have seen pretty much the same behaviour as MalibuJack as far as knock counts go, ie.: "it takes 7 counts to alter the octane number, and over 4 to alter my timing.. 3's don't tend to affect timing unless it occurs 3 samples or more in a row.."

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Saw the same thing myself yesterday.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by chmodlf
I see the same thing. In fact 1 count always pulls timing. BTW as I stand the High Octane and Low Octane maps are flat. I have a "custom" DynoFlash tune with the standard block of timing numbers...I will be making changes now that I finally have my wideband installed.

I guess that is why Al has the same high and low maps the same. The knock protection is more aggresive. Also it takes more work to back off the low octane map after the car has been "tooned". After all "time is money" LOL.
Maybe you can help me with. I have been trying to figure out the logic of Al's tuning on the EVO. I have logged my stock 05 Evo and the timing at peak boost/torque (3500-3700 rpm) is between 3-1 degrees. The stock AFR that I logged at the same rpm is around 10.9-11.1.

From what I read AL advances the timing in the peak torque area to about 8. I do not know if he leans out the peak torque area or not, but if he does do that, then how can he get away with advanced timing AND leaned AFR in that area. Doesn't your car register high levels of KS with this tune?

I know this is kinda off topic, but I would like to see what you have to say.
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