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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 10:54 AM
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For some reason that table doesn't seem to work for a few of us. I have a 15 rom also and my car won't idle with that table. I have a table now that seems to work fairly well, but I have a feeling it won't idle come winter when the temp goes down.
What table, the one from post 229 or from post 234??

Use the one from post 229. If you have cold start/idle problems, change the "58"s in the last row to "62". If that dont work, try "68".

But I developed and tested that map (the one with "58" in the last row) during the winter and I live in the foot hills where it gets pretty cold and occasionally snows, so it should work now and work during winter, unless you live somewhere that is always freezing.

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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 11:13 AM
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
What table, the one from post 229 or from post 234??

Use the one from post 229. If you have cold start/idle problems, change the "58"s in the last row to "62". If that dont work, try "68".

But I developed and tested that map (the one with "58" in the last row) during the winter and I live in the foot hills where it gets pretty cold and occasionally snows, so it should work now and work during winter, unless you live somewhere that is always freezing.
I used the table from post 234. I've got a table that works now for the summer. Mine seems to balance between throttle hang or bad cold idle right around load cells 87.5 to 112.5. Raising those cells too high seems to bring on the hang, and too low it idles bad. Everything lower than those cells has to be pretty low to completely get rid of the hang. I'm pretty sure putting 58 or 62 all the way down like post 229 will give me horrible throttle hang.

Oh yeah, the . . . that I posted was because I double posted and I put those in it's place.

I'm pretty sure I figured out my idling issues too. I'm a retard and put my bov on backwards. . . I kinda wonder what kinda effect this would have on the cold idle issue. I wish it were cold out to find out.

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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by biggie5252
I used the table from post 234. I've got a table that works now for the summer. Mine seems to balance between throttle hang or bad cold idle right around load cells 87.5 to 112.5. Raising those cells too high seems to bring on the hang, and too low it idles bad. Everything lower than those cells has to be pretty low to completely get rid of the hang. I'm pretty sure putting 58 or 62 all the way down like post 229 will give me horrible throttle hang.

Oh yeah, the . . . that I posted was because I double posted and I put those in it's place.

I'm pretty sure I figured out my idling issues too. I'm a retard and put my bov on backwards. . . I kinda wonder what kinda effect this would have on the cold idle issue. I wish it were cold out to find out.
The lower number takes away the throttle hang, not increase it.

You should just try the table from 229. Im sure it will work flawlessly.
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
The lower number takes away the throttle hang, not increase it.

You should just try the table from 229. Im sure it will work flawlessly.
I know. 58/62 is way too high for me. I will try it though, cuz the bov thing may have affected it.
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Old Jul 17, 2008 | 05:19 AM
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well I can tell you that mine is working pretty well with the table evo kid posted. cold start works like stock. (if the car is completely cold) If its just cooled off for a while after driving, the idle isnt quite as good. figure the temp gauge reads cold but will warm up real quick. those are not real problems though. I have had it flashed for a few days now and it seems to be cool. certainly more enjoyable to drive
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Old Jul 17, 2008 | 08:32 AM
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I will give it a shot today. Thanks.
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Old Jul 29, 2008 | 08:21 AM
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I know this topic is a little old, but I've been playing with the stepper table. I'm currently using this table ...



(BTW, Evo_Kid, GIF compression is great for ECUFlash maps)

Throttle hang seems to be reduced, but honestly I've never really had a big issue with it. Throttle lift response did seem a bit slow when I really paid attention though and these settings have helped that.

Also, with this map the cold start works just like the stock map (2200 slowly dropping with increased temp) and warm starts are smooth as well. With the map Evo_Kid posted a while back I had issues with the warm start ... idle would drop to around 700 for several seconds and them jump upward. This map seems to have eliminated that issue.

It's essentially the same idea as Evo_Kid's map but with stock values below 100 load and a ramp down to 58 between 100 and 125 load. Those smoothed values could possibly be lowered a little if needed, but dropping values below 100 load is what seemed to trigger the warm start issues. The response given by this map works fine for my needs.

I hope this helps ...
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Old Jul 29, 2008 | 08:30 AM
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Cool, thanks!
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Old Jul 29, 2008 | 08:45 AM
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awesome
! gonna try that later
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Old Jul 29, 2008 | 11:50 PM
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TB, your table is very similar to what I had come up with (I never posted it) except I did a continuous decrease for higher loads and still couldn't get it perfect. I would have intermittent idle issues while hot (which makes sense now that I actually think about it, except the intermittent part). It seems to me to be more temperature dependent than what is represented by the table axes. I will try just your table out and see what happens. Thanks!

I never noticed my throttle hanging until I got my cams.

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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 06:20 AM
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I've tried starting the car on this map in probably 15 different temp ranges from cold (well, cold for 75º ambient) to full warm and have not encountered the low idle issue I had with the extra "58s." The cold start does have a little variance in the RPM (drops to ~1600 then jumps to 2000 again), but the stock map does that on my car as well.

The biggest change I've seen so far is that I don't get the ricer backfires I had coded in to the timing map ... lol. I guess the TB is closing off much more air now and drastically changing the AFR on lift off. I had the fuel tables set to about 10.5:1 (actual) on lift off and now they might be much richer ... I have yet to log that circumstance. I need to do it soon ...
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 11:22 AM
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I need to try that backfire stuff.
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 07:32 PM
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Has anyone else had a chance to try this map? I want to know if it works ...
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 09:18 PM
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I tried it. It didn't work at all for me. I'm thinking maybe I need to replace that sh*tty IAC valve other than it seems to work perfect with the stock map, except for hanging.

I didn't have any starting problems, but whenever I come to a stop after I'd been on the highway for a while (I just drove halfway across the country), it couldn't decide what it wanted to do. Sometimes it does this cycling crap where it will rev up to about 1300 rpm then drop to about 800 and do it over again (pretty quickly) for a few times before it'll settle to where it's supposed to be. Other times it will come down to where it's supposed to be for a second then slowly raise up to about 1600 for a second then raise up to about 2000 and just sit there. This only happens after I've been on the highway for a while, but will do it just about every time I come to a stop until I turn the car off. It will actually pull the car in 1st at about 2000 rpm and never go down. I don't freakin know. Unfortunately I don't have any logs.

I think it's probably something unique to my car. I'm going to mess around with it over the weekend and I'll post what seems to work best.

What takes priority? The idle stepper table or Actual desired rpm settings?
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