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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 07:20 PM
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So you remove both the lower pill by the actuator, and the upper one by the BCS right?

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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jumperalex

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So anyone have any ideas? Should I just lower the TBEC values? That seems like a band-aid for what seems otherwise to be a mis-tune that I'm not figuring out.
I had the same problem. My solution was to zero out the upward correction in the TBEC. It works well for me, and I have no worries about overshooting boost and load targets. I'll be interested to see if anyone has a better solution that doesn't require zeroing out the upward TBEC.

It is interesting that were was no boost cut with your boost limit and delay time values.
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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mrfred
I had the same problem. My solution was to zero out the upward correction in the TBEC.
What numbers are the "upward correction?" Are they the 2 to 8 in the top part of the table? Do you zero those out?

8
8
8
8
6.5
4.5
3.5
2
0
-1.5
-3.5
-5
-6.5
-13
-13
-13
-13
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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by nj1266
What numbers are the "upward correction?" Are they the 2 to 8 in the top part of the table? Do you zero those out?

8
8
8
8
6.5
4.5
3.5
2
0
-1.5
-3.5
-5
-6.5
-13
-13
-13
-13
Yup.
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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
Yup.
If I zero those out, will this make the boost @ peak more consistent? Or is this just for a consistetn load? Or is it both?
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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by nj1266
If I zero those out, will this make the boost @ peak more consistent? Or is this just for a consistetn load? Or is it both?
If you're BDEL is pretty spot on you could possibly boost less in lower gears.

Some cars have a problem like this where they overboost like that with the positive error correction #'s in, but it is very very rare, at least from what I have seen. Usually it is from too high of WGDC #'s.
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 06:34 AM
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Bryan - I used some values that you posted for WGDC - you said that it had you holding 20.5 psi.

With these values I am only getting ~15 PSI. Could this be an indication of a boost leak does every car take different numbers?

I turned up WGDC 10 units and got an increase in boost off about ~2 psi.

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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
If you're BDEL is pretty spot on you could possibly boost less in lower gears.

Some cars have a problem like this where they overboost like that with the positive error correction #'s in, but it is very very rare, at least from what I have seen. Usually it is from too high of WGDC #'s.
Add my '03 VIII to the list of rare cars that does the same thing. Just like mrfred, I have the positive values zeroed out for now. There must be something we're overlooking in the ROM, or the tables don't work how we think they do. In my case I have my BDEL + offset values set below the load I'm seeing (about 10 points less) and I've never logged the ECU using the negative values.
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dudical26
Bryan - I used some values that you posted for WGDC - you said that it had you holding 20.5 psi.

With these values I am only getting ~15 PSI. Could this be an indication of a boost leak does every car take different numbers?

I turned up WGDC 10 units and got an increase in boost off about ~2 psi.

Thanks

Which settings did you use, what are your mods and what solenoid and/or pill size?
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 03:46 PM
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I have a GM solenoid, no pills.

Turbo Back, IC pipes, Intake, 02 Housing, FMIC.

MAP numbers from ZT2 boost sensor.


Code:
RPM	TPS	Timing	Load	AFR	MAP
2781	44.314	21	56.169	14.6	1
2812	100	17	109.968	14.1	2.4
2906	100	14	128.309	14.1	4
3000	100	10	142.881	13	5.9
3125	100	8	162.522	11.6	8.7
3218	100	5	188.368	11	12.3
3343	100	4	220.514	11	16.4
3500	100	3	247.815	11.2	19.3
3687	100	4	243.349	11.4	19.6
3843	100	4	232.839	11.6	19.4
4000	100	4	232.839	11.7	19.1
4187	100	4	232.839	11.5	19.2
4406	100	5	229.447	11.4	19.3
4625	100	5	233.931	11.5	19.6
4812	100	6	234.039	11.3	19.5
4937	100	6	234.039	11.3	19.7
5093	96.078	6	234.039	11.3	19.2
5312	29.804	35	251.368	11.9	-6.6
5312	13.333	35	28.329	11.6	-20.2

I am now using the following map.
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dudical26
I have a GM solenoid, no pills.

Turbo Back, IC pipes, Intake, 02 Housing, FMIC.

MAP numbers from ZT2 boost sensor.


Code:
RPM	TPS	Timing	Load	AFR	MAP
2781	44.314	21	56.169	14.6	1
2812	100	17	109.968	14.1	2.4
2906	100	14	128.309	14.1	4
3000	100	10	142.881	13	5.9
3125	100	8	162.522	11.6	8.7
3218	100	5	188.368	11	12.3
3343	100	4	220.514	11	16.4
3500	100	3	247.815	11.2	19.3
3687	100	4	243.349	11.4	19.6
3843	100	4	232.839	11.6	19.4
4000	100	4	232.839	11.7	19.1
4187	100	4	232.839	11.5	19.2
4406	100	5	229.447	11.4	19.3
4625	100	5	233.931	11.5	19.6
4812	100	6	234.039	11.3	19.5
4937	100	6	234.039	11.3	19.7
5093	96.078	6	234.039	11.3	19.2
5312	29.804	35	251.368	11.9	-6.6
5312	13.333	35	28.329	11.6	-20.2

I am now using the following map.
What do you have in your BDEL and offset tables?
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
What do you have in your BDEL and offset tables?
BDEL is 159, offset is 100.

Error correction is set to 0 across the board.
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dudical26
BDEL is 159, offset is 100.

Error correction is set to 0 across the board.
159 on the whole BDEL table? If you actually had Error Correction on, the ECU would be adding WGDC to try and hit that 259 load as you are barely hitting 240 without error correction on according to your calc Load in that log above at least. It's odd that you can hold 19psi with 65 WGDC all the way down. Usually you need to bring the WGDC up the higher the RPM.

First off, I would get your boost control tables actually dialed in. 159 across in BDEL and flat WGDC is not using Ecu-boost to it's fullest potential.

If you have the means, I would do a boost leak test just to take that out of the equation. Then set up your tables correctly. Should start to look something like this:



Numbers will be different for your application but the 'curves' should look the same.
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 04:33 PM
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I am just beginning to tune the GM solenoid. I plan on setting up my BDEL and TBEC later but I have zeroed it out like you suggested in another post.

I have done a boost leak test and I did not find any leaks however I did have air coming out of my valve cover (Due to valve seals I think). There for it was difficult to tell for sure if I had a leak.

I was justing wondering if it is normal to have these values in WGDC for the level of boost, this is by no means my final tune for boost control.
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Old Jul 9, 2007 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dudical26

I was justing wondering if it is normal to have these values in WGDC for the level of boost, this is by no means my final tune for boost control.
I apologize if I came off like I was saying "Dammit! You are doing it all wrong!" I wasn't sure if you knew so I was just trying to help.

For the stock turbo it's pretty close, maybe a little high. What does 65% WGDC give you PSI wise at 7000 rpm?

Do you have a full pull logged?
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