The 4B is a brand new beast. No one knows the limits, unlike the VERY well documented 4G. ECUFlash came out at the end of the 4G's reign, when everyone and their mom already knew about its timing limits, power limits, ect.

The 4B on the other hand, no one is for sure. If ECUFlash comes into the market in the next 6 months, there are going to be blown X's everywhere. Especially if you let someone lose control of your fuel...

You know why so many people looked at your page nj1266? Because you were the only one bored enough to google, and search through the forums and basically copy and paste every bit of info you found and put it in one place.
You did the dirty work and people are thankful.




Pull a Vishnu, TTP or Ivey tune. According to your 70 percent theory, one if not all of these 3 gentlemen have crappy skills.... yeah right. A wannabe tuner like yourself will never be considered in the same breath as any of these guys. Especially when

"Second, you need injectors when you have a TBE w/tp and an open element filter and you are using the ECU to control boost. ECU boost control holds at least 2 more psi up top than an MBC. That requires more fuel and the stock injectors get maxed out and you lose control over the AFR. I have had that happen to a lot of Evos that I have tuned."

ROFL. Still cracks me up everytime I read this. So according to you. Lets say you tuned a car with a MBC. Seems like the only thing stopping a car tuned by you from losing control of the AFR is a measly 2psi.
If its cold outside, and your car has been tuned by "I Lose control" nj1266, I recommend staying off boost. In what perfect world do you live in where the boost is exactly the same in all conditions. Once again ask ANY professonal tuner if they have ever ran into this problem. No you, JB, and the rest of you power puffs arn't professonals like Shiv, Sean, Buschur, or TTP.

I'd gladly pay extra for a bulletproof tune from a PROFESSIONAL tuner on a brand new engine.

 

Anyone can talk a good game. Anyone can bash pro tuners.
Anyone can be critical.
When you have 4 cars lined up, and need to diagnose, tune and get them out without blowing motors or having a customer leave dissatisfied, it's a different story.
Doodling around on your car all night on the interstate and tuning it for an entire week is not a luxury we have.
I am glad you were able to show expose the fact that there is a flip side to all of this chatter.

Sean

 

Everybody here is allowed to say what they want; keeping in mind and respecting our forum rules.......tread lightly folks, I'm watching this one.


SASD209

 

That is incorrect. ECUflash users/disassemblers did a huge job at adding valauble knowledge to the tuning community. You have not been around long enough to read the thousands of posts in the ECUflash forums. Our knowledge of ECU boost control and other ECU related activity has improved tremendously thanks to the FREE work of people like:

mrfred
malibujack
razorlab
tephra
bez_beshani

and many many others whose names I forgot to mention.

STOP misrepresneting what I said. You know that you are doing it, so please stop. I told you multiple times that with ECU boost control a TBE and TP and an open intake the stock injectors WILL NOT provide enough fuel. So you will either have to reduce the boost or swap the injectors. I tell my friends to get bigger injectors and those who do not/cannot get bigger injectors, I lower the boost on their cars.

That is another piece of disinformation/misinformation on your part. ALL the data/maps posted have been logged by me and only me. I put everything together using my data. The data is mine and the knowledge I acquired how to tune is due to the GREAT help from the above mentioned people.

The overwhelming majority of the cars that I tune use ECUboost control. You really need to educate yourself about how ECU boost control works. A properly set-up ECU boost control will hit almost the same boost in every log. I have logs that hit the same boost in 3rd gear and 4th gear over and over and over again.

2 psi up top is huge and maxes out the stock injectors. My car holds 20-21 psi by redline and that is AVERAGE peak boost. Peak boost is even higher. Get any car to hold that much boost by redline with TBE/TP and intake and the injectors will max out. I told you before to post logs proving otherwise and you could not do it.

If you want to talk the talk, please walk the walk. POST logs with boost at 20-21 psi by redline along with IDC numbers and show me that your IDC is NOT 95% or higher. Please support what you say with FACTS. You have a lot of opinions, but no facts.

 

What are you talking about. What does that paragraph have anything to do with what I said.

Originally Posted by Sky Evo X
The 4B is a brand new beast. No one knows the limits, unlike the VERY well documented 4G. ECUFlash came out at the end of the 4G's reign, when everyone and their mom already knew about its timing limits, power limits, ect.



First of all, what took you and your power puff crew to do, these professonal tuners ALREADY KNEW. Just because you found out how the wheel works doesn't mean you created it.

Which 2 of those 3 tuners collaborate in creating your single map that knocked like crazy? VishTune? TTIvey? Or VishTP?

I'm not even going to even talk about your rebuttle about losing control from 2psi. There are COUNTLESS posts in this forum of people with more mods then just TBE and holding boost above 22-23psi and NOT LOSING CONTROL.

We know. We know.

 

Maybe the reason why your car knocked is because you were swapping a map made for your friend with your own.

And I read all about your countless posts when you had the xede. Shiv didn't custom tune it, you did.

If you actually paid for a custom tune and not try to do it yourself or borrow your friends, maybe you wouldn't have knocked so much.

 

Who was it that created the NLTS patch, the knockCEL patch, the valet patch? Who was it that created direct psi boost control? Who was it that created map switching W/O using a laptop? Who was it that figured out how to log 2 byte load, 2byte airflow and 2 byte rpm?

None of these pro-tuners did. It was the folks in ECUflash that did. They are constantly finding new tables in the rom that we can use to tune our cars.

What have the pro-tuners contributed FREELY to the knowledge base of this community? Please tell me.

Go to ECUflash and see the multiple timing, fuel, ECUboost maps that have been posted freely by members of that community.

You cannot talk about it, because you have NO DATA to back up what you say. I challenge you to post data that shows the following:

TBE/TP with Intake
stock injectors
boost at 21 psi by redline
lower than 95% IDC by 7500 rpm redline.

Keep taking things out of context. People learn by reading and educating themselves. Education takes time, it is a struggle. You do NOT want to educate yourself, so you simply take things out of context and spread dis-information and mis-information about others.

Here is the full quote in context:

 

One more time, you are wrong. My friend's car was tuned with ECUflash. My car was tuned with the XEDE. Both were tuned by the same pro-tuner and it WAS NOT Shiv.

I paid for a custom tune and bought the XEDE. The cost was $1000. The tune was poor and the car knocked when I logged it on 91 octane. I had to mix 91+100 to get 93 to make the car stop knocking. The timing was set @ 19* by redline for 91 octane.

 

By process of elimination looks like your calling out Sean and TTP.
lol. I don't even have to continue with this. Almost everyone on this board
highly respects both these 2 individuals, and their tuning ability.

 

You really have a problem reading, don't you. I said that I have seen maps from three tuners (two ECUflash maps) and I have used one of the maps for my Xede. The xede map were supposed to be conservative and was downloadable from the Vishnu website for the Xede. My car knocked on that map and it knocked on the custom tuned map that was created by the pro-tuner in SoCal. I was not the only one. Many XEDE users who used these "safe" maps had high knock counts in the logs.

I am glad you changed your sig...this one is even funnier...There are over 120 posts on ratemyprofessor. The overwhelming majority of them are positive, yet you chose one of the few negative ones.

I am still waiting for that data log that shows less than 95% IDC by 7500 rpm redline when running TBE/TP, 21 psi by redline, intkae on stock injectors. Please post the logs and stop changing the subject by changing your signature.

WHERE IS THAT LOG???

 

Noize, you may have something personal against nj1266, but he has a point. He (without calling any names) specifically states that "When Evoscan came on the market, we discovered that the $600 tunes that a lot of people (including myself) paid for were horrible" and list some of the inconsistencies or irregularities with the some tunes.

 

i'm just gonna throw this out there..
but as boost rises so does your fuel pressure. My IDC's don't change all that much going from 19 to 21psi.


If your idc's are 99% with those mods. something else is wrong. Go back to stock airbox.


I bought one professional tune, then another, both were horrible for different reasons. They both inspired me to learn to tune myself. However I will be installing a AEM on my car soon and getting tuned by Buschur. I have no desire to learn the AEM, and I feel thatl i will be very happy with a BR tune.

 

Sky Evo X- you need to check yourself. NJ has not in any way calling people out.
I thank NJ for his work with the ECUflash postings even though Ive never needed to use his Newbie guide. Creating understanding and a template for people to start from is very valuable.

Pro-tuners and DIYers have both learnt alot since the Evo8 arrived in the US. When something is new the pro guys make a judgement call on how they are going to tune. Some get it right and some dont.
With the arrival of logging tools, customers were able to check how their cars were running, and some were very disappointed with the results of those logs.
With EcuFlash, customers were then able to see the stratergy of their pro tune and thats when there was a backlash.

I personally feel that the tuners with the most DSM experience were able to tune very well from the start.
Others learnt very quickly but a few early mistakes, just like the DIYers when they started learning to tune (but with a much lower starting point)


For the US market ECUtek is a relatively new thing (Evo8 onwards) We have had tuners tune Evo 5 onwards with ECUtek for many many more years in NZ.
Although I dont agree with the ECUtek business model, they were the ONLY ones tuning the second gen Evos stock Ecus(Evo5+) 8-10 years ago.
They are again the first ones to release a solution for pro-tuners to tune the X, and because of the learning that alot of protuners have done in the US, I think that their will be alot of well tuned Evo Xs. Even from those who may have started poorly with their Evo8 tunes years ago.


You have to remember that the Self-tune DIYers are a very very small part of the community. Most people will still go to their tuner and not waste endless hours of their personal time trying to do their own tune.
This ratio will be even smaller than ever, because the X is selling to a different market that wants turn key performance with no hassles.

The Pro tuners that work on any model Evo provide much more value (even if they use ECUtek) per tune than most of the euro tuners, as the euro guys sell packages which are basically our equiv of a mail-in tune, but they drop the car off.


On a side note, Ive just read all of Sky Evo X 160ish posts hes made since joining. How is it that someone who was so polite in his first 50 posts ends up being so negative. Why dont you have a read of what you used to be like when you were a newbie- and try and apply it now. Its very tiring trying to read good threads when you are wasting so much posting space.

 

Oh really?

What was the point of him says "All I have to mention is 8888888?" Everyone knows he's referencing Al. You think he's not calling anyone out?
And your post actually supports what I've been saying the whole time about the real professonal tuners. Thanks.


And I love the fact that you read all of my posts. Since I joined this board, I grown quite fond of being a puppeteer. And now your just another one of my puppets. Getting a 42 year old professor so worked up he can't sleep at night also makes me laugh. I really don't care what anyone says about me on a forum, it really doesn't matter to me at all.

Looks like you got "checked" son. Another one bites the dust.

 

Puppeteer? Sounds like someone has issues...

Anyway, doesn't EcuTek do the FQ Evos over in the UK? I would think that in spite of the concerns about pricing, locked ecus, etc. that they will stay in business.