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To all the NEWBIES: TTP and Ivey both have solid reps, and (to my knowledge) have never been bashed for their tunes.
(even though sometimes i'm not a fan of Scott's attitude
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Nj....Nj... Nj. Still doing his stuff, huh??? Running about, talking **** about real tuners & running around so cal tuning every car with "your" ECU controlled boost control. I sure remember when all of you so-cal evo kids were using MBCs, scared of ECU boost control, while us nor-cal kids figured out ECU boost control. Also, I loved how you took my R&D I did for the sake of the community and go out and make a bunch of money off it with your "boost pills". Funny how you used all the info me and others work on, so you could pocket a profit. So when do I get my royalty check??
Find me a place in ALL of my posts here where I said I INVENTED ECUboost control. WHERE DID I SAY IT? Please tell me. All I said that with ECUboost you run 2 psi at the top than you do with an MBC. If you run 2 psi up top with an intake and TBE/TP, then you need injectors. THAT IS ALL that I said regarding ECU boost.
The people who started ECU boost using the pill were WORKS. It was NOT YOU or anyone else. Razorlab, you, and others made it better. This is a FACT that no one can deny. Infact, the pills that I make are similar to their pill and NOT to the aluminium rod that you wrote about and drilled a whole in.
So saying that people copied you is incorrect. We copied WORKS. They started the process and they deserve credit.
The first ECU boost flash that I tested on my car used WORKS' WGDC tables. I set the BDEL a bit higher than needed (not maxxed out like WORKS) and relied on the TBEC to make up for the difference between the map WGDC and logged WGDC. The next one that I used came from Razorlab. I e-mailed him and asked him to help me and he did.
That is the way it started for me. After that it was the work of mrfred that helped me the most. It WAS NOT YOU.
First, you need to heed a couple things. the first, a newbie topic..... BOOST is NOT everything.
The next thing is gonna be a big thing, as I was on the forefront of ECU boost control. I think a lot of people may disagree with my opinion but here it goes... ECU boost control is not all its cracked up to be. It is a very time consuming process, that can NOT, and I mean can NOT, be tuned perfectly in one, two or even three tuning sessions. You might get lucky cuz you live in so cal, where the temp only vary about 20-30*s. Come up to where i live in nor-cal, where temps and elevation change greatly and see what happens.
Maybe you should move to SoCal and get consistent boost instead
In conclusion (on the boost tip), I know pro ECU controlled boost users are not gonna like what i just said and say Im wrong. I'm not. ECU controlled boost take a long time to get perfect and takes constant tweaking with weather, season changes and driving styles. In the end, it IS easier and just as functional to just throw a MBC on and call it a day
Also, big up to razrlab, as I see him as one of the originators of ECU boost control (along with mrfred & others. Thanks for all your work). NJ, on the other hand, just sat and watched us, then ran with all the info like he did the R&D or something.
If there is a royalty check, it should go to WORKS. We piggybacked on their work.
Now to address the real problem at hand. NJ......LISTEN. Your NOT SHIV, YOUR not AL, YOUR NOT scott (TTP). You can say what ever you want about these guys NJ, it still dont make you a tuner.
1. Collapsed high/low ignition and fuel maps
2. Boost limit removed and boost limit timer disabled
3. Unscaled injectors and the use of the fuel map to scale the injectors.
4. Blocked tuned ignition maps.
5. Knock count of 8 or higher.
How would you like it if you paid $750 and got such a tune.
Yeah, you can probably find a map from each of them that might have some "dated" techniques that are incorrect ways to tune, but they also have many cars doing fast time and wining big events.
NJ did NOT invent, research or help develop ECU boost control.
Last edited by nj1266; Apr 25, 2008 at 02:24 PM.
Also, I'd like to say on balance NJ has provided far more good to the community than bad.
I try to stay out of the professional / amateur argument for the most part. I've used professional tuning services and basically you get what you pay for. I agree, its difficult or downright impossible to "fully" tune a car in the time that a tuning session allows unless you already have a real close fitting map to start with. Even then it would take longer to fully log and analyze a map for all type of driving conditions etc.
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Anyone heard of this?
http://www.tactrix.com/product_info....38152fd74e814a
http://www.tactrix.com/product_info....38152fd74e814a
That is a good sign for the X. That's where you'll buy the cable that can be used to tune the X when the interface is finished. I would wait until a working release is out before buying any cables unless your a developer looking to figure it out for your self.
ECU Flash and the open source technology has really unlocked the power of the stock ECU, without it 500whp on the stock ECU would have just been a pipe dream. It's also made some of the best Evo tuners in the world even better tuners. Having easily attainable datalogging hardware / software available to the masses has raised the bar on those people that step up to the plate to tune Evo's. Having the ability to reflash your own vehcile to stock for troubleshooting purposes is also a big plus.
Last edited by Mr. Evo IX; Apr 25, 2008 at 10:09 PM.
I never said that I was better or worse than anybody else. I was responding to AL who was wondering why this community does not want to fork $750 for a tune. I told him the reason and the FACTS that what we paid for turned out to be very poor quality work. Let me repeat what we found out:
nj1266, take all your off topic stuff that has nothing to do with the X section back to the Ecuflash forums. It does not belong in here.
Since I took my turn at the mapping control on my X today with EcuTeK, I thought I'd address the maps I modified from a "pro" tuner and vendor on this site.
These maps were done TODAY and therefore apply to 2008 and the X (the section you are spamming with OT VIII and IX stuff), and not 2005 like you have been talking about.
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2. Boost limit removed and boost limit timer disabled
3. Unscaled injectors and the use of the fuel map to scale the injectors.
4. Blocked tuned ignition maps.
5. Knock count of 8 or higher.
How would you like it if you paid $750 and got such a tune.
Continue posting this, and I'll move it to the Ecuflash forum where it belongs.
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Find me a place in ALL of my posts here where I said I INVENTED ECUboost control. WHERE DID I SAY IT? Please tell me. All I said that with ECUboost you run 2 psi at the top than you do with an MBC. If you run 2 psi up top with an intake and TBE/TP, then you need injectors. THAT IS ALL that I said regarding ECU boost.
The people who started ECU boost using the pill were WORKS. It was NOT YOU or anyone else. Razorlab, you, and others made it better. This is a FACT that no one can deny. Infact, the pills that I make are similar to their pill and NOT to the aluminium rod that you wrote about and drilled a whole in.
So saying that people copied you is incorrect. We copied WORKS. They started the process and they deserve credit.
The first ECU boost flash that I tested on my car used WORKS' WGDC tables. I set the BDEL a bit higher than needed (not maxxed out like WORKS) and relied on the TBEC to make up for the difference between the map WGDC and logged WGDC. The next one that I used came from Razorlab. I e-mailed him and asked him to help me and he did.
That is the way it started for me. After that it was the work of mrfred that helped me the most. It WAS NOT YOU.
Find me a place in ALL of my posts here where I said I INVENTED ECUboost control. WHERE DID I SAY IT? Please tell me. All I said that with ECUboost you run 2 psi at the top than you do with an MBC. If you run 2 psi up top with an intake and TBE/TP, then you need injectors. THAT IS ALL that I said regarding ECU boost.
The people who started ECU boost using the pill were WORKS. It was NOT YOU or anyone else. Razorlab, you, and others made it better. This is a FACT that no one can deny. Infact, the pills that I make are similar to their pill and NOT to the aluminium rod that you wrote about and drilled a whole in.
So saying that people copied you is incorrect. We copied WORKS. They started the process and they deserve credit.
The first ECU boost flash that I tested on my car used WORKS' WGDC tables. I set the BDEL a bit higher than needed (not maxxed out like WORKS) and relied on the TBEC to make up for the difference between the map WGDC and logged WGDC. The next one that I used came from Razorlab. I e-mailed him and asked him to help me and he did.
That is the way it started for me. After that it was the work of mrfred that helped me the most. It WAS NOT YOU.
.Regardless, You need to stop talking **** about pro's and have some respect. YES you can find terrible "pro" maps. They have tuned 100s of customer and have a couple bad map complaints. So what. You have probably have not even tuned 50 cars and you already have a couple complaints. But thats neither here, nor there. Just have some respect for the "pros" of our sport. Without them, we wouldn't have this great site & the great parts we use on our rides.
Last edited by Evo_Jay; Apr 26, 2008 at 03:47 AM.
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Find me a place in ALL of my posts here where I said I INVENTED ECUboost control. WHERE DID I SAY IT? Please tell me. All I said that with ECUboost you run 2 psi at the top than you do with an MBC. If you run 2 psi up top with an intake and TBE/TP, then you need injectors. THAT IS ALL that I said regarding ECU boost.
The people who started ECU boost using the pill were WORKS. It was NOT YOU or anyone else. Razorlab, you, and others made it better. This is a FACT that no one can deny. Infact, the pills that I make are similar to their pill and NOT to the aluminium rod that you wrote about and drilled a whole in.
So saying that people copied you is incorrect. We copied WORKS. They started the process and they deserve credit.
The first ECU boost flash that I tested on my car used WORKS' WGDC tables. I set the BDEL a bit higher than needed (not maxxed out like WORKS) and relied on the TBEC to make up for the difference between the map WGDC and logged WGDC. The next one that I used came from Razorlab. I e-mailed him and asked him to help me and he did.
That is the way it started for me. After that it was the work of mrfred that helped me the most. It WAS NOT YOU.
I NEVER said it was. I was just debating Sky and kept asking for data that he could not provide, ie, the IDC not maxxing when running 20-21 psi by redline on stock injectors. That was the entire debate over and over. He failed to provide any data to prove otherwise.
That is not the issue of this debate. What point are you trying to make? Is the MBC easier to use than ECU boost? YES, it is. Does an MBC hold more boost by redline on a stock turbo than ECU boost control? No it does not.
Theres is tricks to make a MBC hold as well as ECU boost control.
Maybe you should move to SoCal and get consistent boost instead
Well good for you. Go back to an MBC and use it. I am perfectly happy with ECUboost as well as many others that I know.
The folks who originated ECU boost were WORKS. That is the FACT. It was not you, nor razorlab, nor mrfred, nor me, nor anyone else for that matter. Mrfred, razorlab, and others MADE ECU BOOST better.
Maybe i should have made it clear that I was talking about on the open source information tip.
If there is a royalty check, it should go to WORKS. We piggybacked on their work.
Well send it to them.
I never said that I was better or worse than anybody else. I was responding to AL who was wondering why this community does not want to fork $750 for a tune. I told him the reason and the FACTS that what we paid for turned out to be very poor quality work. Let me repeat what we found out:
1. Collapsed high/low ignition and fuel maps
2. Boost limit removed and boost limit timer disabled
3. Unscaled injectors and the use of the fuel map to scale the injectors.
4. Blocked tuned ignition maps.
5. Knock count of 8 or higher.
How would you like it if you paid $750 and got such a tune.
There is a RECENT thread in ECUflash with RECENT maps. It was locked for obvious reasons. This still happens, because as you said it takes TIME to perfect a tune.
I didnt say its not still happing. What I meant is, yeah, you can find bad "pro" maps. They have hundreds or even thousands of tuned cars. Theres bound to be a few bad apples. No one is perfect.
I have NEVER EVER said that I did. I am not into dissasembly and neither are you. There are few who are like mrfred and tephra. I have helped people who have asked questions to the best of my ability and I have given back to the community to the best of my ability.
I know before tephra or MRfred were here, disassembling anything, I was driving up and down my test road all night, playing with boost maps, figuring ECU boost out. thats a fact.
Find me a place in ALL of my posts here where I said I INVENTED ECUboost control. WHERE DID I SAY IT? Please tell me. All I said that with ECUboost you run 2 psi at the top than you do with an MBC. If you run 2 psi up top with an intake and TBE/TP, then you need injectors. THAT IS ALL that I said regarding ECU boost.
The people who started ECU boost using the pill were WORKS. It was NOT YOU or anyone else. Razorlab, you, and others made it better. This is a FACT that no one can deny. Infact, the pills that I make are similar to their pill and NOT to the aluminium rod that you wrote about and drilled a whole in.
So saying that people copied you is incorrect. We copied WORKS. They started the process and they deserve credit.
The first ECU boost flash that I tested on my car used WORKS' WGDC tables. I set the BDEL a bit higher than needed (not maxxed out like WORKS) and relied on the TBEC to make up for the difference between the map WGDC and logged WGDC. The next one that I used came from Razorlab. I e-mailed him and asked him to help me and he did.
That is the way it started for me. After that it was the work of mrfred that helped me the most. It WAS NOT YOU.
I NEVER said it was. I was just debating Sky and kept asking for data that he could not provide, ie, the IDC not maxxing when running 20-21 psi by redline on stock injectors. That was the entire debate over and over. He failed to provide any data to prove otherwise.
That is not the issue of this debate. What point are you trying to make? Is the MBC easier to use than ECU boost? YES, it is. Does an MBC hold more boost by redline on a stock turbo than ECU boost control? No it does not.
Theres is tricks to make a MBC hold as well as ECU boost control.
Maybe you should move to SoCal and get consistent boost instead
Well good for you. Go back to an MBC and use it. I am perfectly happy with ECUboost as well as many others that I know.
The folks who originated ECU boost were WORKS. That is the FACT. It was not you, nor razorlab, nor mrfred, nor me, nor anyone else for that matter. Mrfred, razorlab, and others MADE ECU BOOST better.
Maybe i should have made it clear that I was talking about on the open source information tip.
If there is a royalty check, it should go to WORKS. We piggybacked on their work.
Well send it to them.
I never said that I was better or worse than anybody else. I was responding to AL who was wondering why this community does not want to fork $750 for a tune. I told him the reason and the FACTS that what we paid for turned out to be very poor quality work. Let me repeat what we found out:
1. Collapsed high/low ignition and fuel maps
2. Boost limit removed and boost limit timer disabled
3. Unscaled injectors and the use of the fuel map to scale the injectors.
4. Blocked tuned ignition maps.
5. Knock count of 8 or higher.
How would you like it if you paid $750 and got such a tune.
There is a RECENT thread in ECUflash with RECENT maps. It was locked for obvious reasons. This still happens, because as you said it takes TIME to perfect a tune.
I didnt say its not still happing. What I meant is, yeah, you can find bad "pro" maps. They have hundreds or even thousands of tuned cars. Theres bound to be a few bad apples. No one is perfect.
I have NEVER EVER said that I did. I am not into dissasembly and neither are you. There are few who are like mrfred and tephra. I have helped people who have asked questions to the best of my ability and I have given back to the community to the best of my ability.
I know before tephra or MRfred were here, disassembling anything, I was driving up and down my test road all night, playing with boost maps, figuring ECU boost out. thats a fact.
Last edited by Evo_Jay; Apr 26, 2008 at 03:48 AM.
i agreed with nj. As a consumer, I paid thousand dollars for so called "professional" tunes since I got my evos from 2003. Most of them are garbage. Since ecuflash, I learned to tune the car myself and they're running better than ever both as daily drive and at wot. No "professional" tuner can solve those check engine codes that popup after their tune and I'm the one that did it myself. They don't take it seriously that the code may harm their customer car. Most of them took the money and ignore their customer right after that. That my friend, ironically, call themselves "professional". Professional my a$$.
No tuner made my car run right as daily drive, always hiccup, inconsistent knocks... I don't like to bash on people business but sometimes it's too much for a person to hold back.
My point here is maybe you're not really paying for a "professional" tune like you were thinking.
No tuner made my car run right as daily drive, always hiccup, inconsistent knocks... I don't like to bash on people business but sometimes it's too much for a person to hold back.
My point here is maybe you're not really paying for a "professional" tune like you were thinking.
i agreed with nj. As a consumer, I paid thousand dollars for so called "professional" tunes since I got my evos from 2003. Most of them are garbage. Since ecuflash, I learned to tune the car myself and they're running better than ever both as daily drive and at wot. No "professional" tuner can solve those check engine codes that popup after their tune and I'm the one that did it myself. They don't take it seriously that the code may harm their customer car. Most of them took the money and ignore their customer right after that. That my friend, ironically, call themselves "professional". Professional my a$$.
No tuner made my car run right as daily drive, always hiccup, inconsistent knocks... I don't like to bash on people business but sometimes it's too much for a person to hold back.
My point here is maybe you're not really paying for a "professional" tune like you were thinking.
No tuner made my car run right as daily drive, always hiccup, inconsistent knocks... I don't like to bash on people business but sometimes it's too much for a person to hold back.
My point here is maybe you're not really paying for a "professional" tune like you were thinking.
On your point, yes, every one paying for a "pro" tune should make sure its a pro tune. Everyone should ask their tuner for the after logs of their newly tuned car. Tuners should show you logs with acceptable amounts of knock (people have different veiws on acceptable knock, most would say less then 3-4 knock count, of inconsistent knock. IE even an acceptable amount of knock (ie 2-4) happening every pull at the same RPM is bad.). Also use a dyno or drag strip to make sure the car is also making power. If you have high knock and/or ****ty power gain, get your money back and car retuned.
Sky EVO and NJ, IMO, your both right. Alot of the time when you run 20-21 psi at redline, you have high IDC. This can be cured easily with injectors, but you can also get IDC a lower using a couple tuning tricks (NOTHING garbage, like messed-up fuel maps, incorrect injector scailing, etc.).
Last edited by Evo_Jay; Apr 26, 2008 at 08:32 PM.
Anyone can talk a good game. Anyone can bash pro tuners.
Anyone can be critical.
When you have 4 cars lined up, and need to diagnose, tune and get them out without blowing motors or having a customer leave dissatisfied, it's a different story.
Doodling around on your car all night on the interstate and tuning it for an entire week is not a luxury we have.
I am glad you were able to show expose the fact that there is a flip side to all of this chatter.
Sean
Anyone can be critical.
When you have 4 cars lined up, and need to diagnose, tune and get them out without blowing motors or having a customer leave dissatisfied, it's a different story.
Doodling around on your car all night on the interstate and tuning it for an entire week is not a luxury we have.
I am glad you were able to show expose the fact that there is a flip side to all of this chatter.
Sean
Why doesn't anyone understand that............
Last edited by Evo_Jay; Apr 26, 2008 at 08:31 PM.
The newest tables found and some of the Ecu-boost mods have made Ecu-boost rock solid though.
I've tuned over 100 Evo 8/9's with Ecu-boost so far and they work well on the strip, on the street and on the circuit.
The four things that made the Ecu-boost really stable through various conditions was changing the load followed to the same as fuel/timing, Error correction Max Vs TPS, rescaling and fine tuning the TBEC table, and WGDC Correction Update Delay.
The Evo X already has the starting advantage over the 8/9's as it has 3D boost maps, a 3bar MAP sensor stock and TPS vs Boost control. I can only imagine how strong it will be once the open source community gets their hands on a Rom.
Hhaha, same here, I think at one point, in one week, I was reflashing my Ecu 20x per night. And that is no joke.
The newest tables found and some of the Ecu-boost mods have made Ecu-boost rock solid though.
I've tuned over 100 Evo 8/9's with Ecu-boost so far and they work well on the strip, on the street and on the circuit.
The four things that made the Ecu-boost really stable through various conditions was changing the load followed to the same as fuel/timing, Error correction Max Vs TPS, rescaling and fine tuning the TBEC table, and WGDC Correction Update Delay.
The Evo X already has the starting advantage over the 8/9's as it has 3D boost maps, a 3bar MAP sensor stock and TPS vs Boost control. I can only imagine how strong it will be once the open source community gets their hands on a Rom.
The newest tables found and some of the Ecu-boost mods have made Ecu-boost rock solid though.
I've tuned over 100 Evo 8/9's with Ecu-boost so far and they work well on the strip, on the street and on the circuit.
The four things that made the Ecu-boost really stable through various conditions was changing the load followed to the same as fuel/timing, Error correction Max Vs TPS, rescaling and fine tuning the TBEC table, and WGDC Correction Update Delay.
The Evo X already has the starting advantage over the 8/9's as it has 3D boost maps, a 3bar MAP sensor stock and TPS vs Boost control. I can only imagine how strong it will be once the open source community gets their hands on a Rom.
As I stated earlier, Im not all about ECU boost control anymore. It is still great and everything, but i think it takes quite some time to get perfect. I can get a really good ECU controlled boost curve in a couple reflashes (like 10-15 mins), but to get a perfect one, it seem you need to drive for a couple day and make minor changes to get it perfect. Also, where I live, I can drive from sea level to 4000ft, in less then 20 mins and the temps vary about 40-50*. And I got tired of having to do all the mods just to make it so ECU boost control would work better.
For those three reason, I just like to throw a MBC on now instead. I got a couple tricks to help MBCs hold better, and boost isnt everything, you can usually make the same power with another degree or two of timing.
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Naji Dahi. Naji Dahi. All I have to say is i knew it.
Thanks for the confirmation Evo_kid.
While back on topic, I personally don't think software for the X will leak to a level of control ECUTEK will offer currently for a while.
Brand new ECU, brand new CANBUS system, its going to take some time. When it does leak, guess where most of the information
came from? Threads like this and people like Noize, AMS, and other Vendors who are spitting knowledge they learned from ECUTEK
and I thank all of them for sharing at the risk of someone later on taking the info and taking credit for it.
This is the Evolution X forum, not the ECUFLASH forum for the Evo IX.
The 4B is a brand new beast. No one knows the limits, unlike the VERY well documented 4G. ECUFlash came out at the end of the 4G's reign, when everyone and their mom already knew about its timing limits, power limits, ect.
The 4B on the other hand, no one is for sure. If ECUFlash comes into the market in the next 6 months, there are going to be blown X's everywhere. Especially if you let someone lose control of your fuel...
You know why so many people looked at your page nj1266? Because you were the only one bored enough to google, and search through the forums and basically copy and paste every bit of info you found and put it in one place.
You did the dirty work and people are thankful.
Pull a Vishnu, TTP or Ivey tune. According to your 70 percent theory, one if not all of these 3 gentlemen have crappy skills.... yeah right. A wannabe tuner like yourself will never be considered in the same breath as any of these guys. Especially when
"Second, you need injectors when you have a TBE w/tp and an open element filter and you are using the ECU to control boost. ECU boost control holds at least 2 more psi up top than an MBC. That requires more fuel and the stock injectors get maxed out and you lose control over the AFR. I have had that happen to a lot of Evos that I have tuned."
ROFL. Still cracks me up everytime I read this. So according to you. Lets say you tuned a car with a MBC. Seems like the only thing stopping a car tuned by you from losing control of the AFR is a measly 2psi.
If its cold outside, and your car has been tuned by "I Lose control" nj1266, I recommend staying off boost. In what perfect world do you live in where the boost is exactly the same in all conditions. Once again ask ANY professonal tuner if they have ever ran into this problem. No you, JB, and the rest of you power puffs arn't professonals like Shiv, Sean, Buschur, or TTP.
I'd gladly pay extra for a bulletproof tune from a PROFESSIONAL tuner on a brand new engine.
The 4B on the other hand, no one is for sure. If ECUFlash comes into the market in the next 6 months, there are going to be blown X's everywhere. Especially if you let someone lose control of your fuel...
You know why so many people looked at your page nj1266? Because you were the only one bored enough to google, and search through the forums and basically copy and paste every bit of info you found and put it in one place.
You did the dirty work and people are thankful.
Pull a Vishnu, TTP or Ivey tune. According to your 70 percent theory, one if not all of these 3 gentlemen have crappy skills.... yeah right. A wannabe tuner like yourself will never be considered in the same breath as any of these guys. Especially when
"Second, you need injectors when you have a TBE w/tp and an open element filter and you are using the ECU to control boost. ECU boost control holds at least 2 more psi up top than an MBC. That requires more fuel and the stock injectors get maxed out and you lose control over the AFR. I have had that happen to a lot of Evos that I have tuned."
ROFL. Still cracks me up everytime I read this. So according to you. Lets say you tuned a car with a MBC. Seems like the only thing stopping a car tuned by you from losing control of the AFR is a measly 2psi.
If its cold outside, and your car has been tuned by "I Lose control" nj1266, I recommend staying off boost. In what perfect world do you live in where the boost is exactly the same in all conditions. Once again ask ANY professonal tuner if they have ever ran into this problem. No you, JB, and the rest of you power puffs arn't professonals like Shiv, Sean, Buschur, or TTP.
I'd gladly pay extra for a bulletproof tune from a PROFESSIONAL tuner on a brand new engine.
Nj....Nj... Nj. Still doing his stuff, huh??? Running about, talking **** about real tuners & running around so cal tuning every car with "your" ECU controlled boost control. I sure remember when all of you so-cal evo kids were using MBCs, scared of ECU boost control, while us nor-cal kids figured out ECU boost control. Also, I loved how you took my R&D I did for the sake of the community and go out and make a bunch of money off it with your "boost pills". Funny how you used all the info me and others work on, so you could pocket a profit. So when do I get my royalty check??
First, you need to heed a couple things. the first, a newbie topic..... BOOST is NOT everything.
The next thing is gonna be a big thing, as I was on the forefront of ECU boost control. I think a lot of people may disagree with my opinion but here it goes... ECU boost control is not all its cracked up to be. It is a very time consuming process, that can NOT, and I mean can NOT, be tuned perfectly in one, two or even three tuning sessions. You might get lucky cuz you live in so cal, where the temp only vary about 20-30*s. Come up to where i live in nor-cal, where temps and elevation change greatly and see what happens.
Also, Im under the impression that you dont drag race, so I'd guess you know nothing about this. But you should take one of the cars you "tuned" the ECU boost control to the drag strip and run it. Have fun watching that ECU controlled boost spike and dip all over the place.
And yes there is tips to get ECU boost controlled drag runs to have perfect consistent boost, but it takes a long time to get it perfect. Then the weather changes and you have to start all over.
In conclusion (on the boost tip), I know pro ECU controlled boost users are not gonna like what i just said and say Im wrong. I'm not. ECU controlled boost take a long time to get perfect and takes constant tweaking with weather, season changes and driving styles. In the end, it IS easier and just as functional to just throw a MBC on and call it a day
Also, big up to razrlab, as I see him as one of the originators of ECU boost control (along with mrfred & others. Thanks for all your work). NJ, on the other hand, just sat and watched us, then ran with all the info like he did the R&D or something.
Again, wheres my royalty check??
Now to address the real problem at hand. NJ......LISTEN. Your NOT SHIV, YOUR not AL, YOUR NOT scott (TTP). You can say what ever you want about these guys NJ, it still dont make you a tuner. Yeah , I know you can say "well i can bring up this Al map and its block tuned all over, etc." We'll let me see how good you do tuning on tech tom without EVOscan to help you though. These guys are REAL tuner, the ones that dont need EVOscan and can do tune by using their ears and feeling the power delivery. Yeah, you can probably find a map from each of them that might have some "dated" techniques that are incorrect ways to tune, but they also have many cars doing fast time and wining big events.
There is another part to this, yes EVOscan made it so we could check our "pro" tuned map and point out their flaws, but if the pro tuners didnt do the R&D and test things, even incorrect tuning ideas, for us to learn from, where would we be??
(FYI, for peeps that dont know...
NJ did NOT invent, research or help develop ECU boost control.
I'm not a vishnu, dynoflah or TTP fanboy at all.)
First, you need to heed a couple things. the first, a newbie topic..... BOOST is NOT everything.
The next thing is gonna be a big thing, as I was on the forefront of ECU boost control. I think a lot of people may disagree with my opinion but here it goes... ECU boost control is not all its cracked up to be. It is a very time consuming process, that can NOT, and I mean can NOT, be tuned perfectly in one, two or even three tuning sessions. You might get lucky cuz you live in so cal, where the temp only vary about 20-30*s. Come up to where i live in nor-cal, where temps and elevation change greatly and see what happens.
Also, Im under the impression that you dont drag race, so I'd guess you know nothing about this. But you should take one of the cars you "tuned" the ECU boost control to the drag strip and run it. Have fun watching that ECU controlled boost spike and dip all over the place.
And yes there is tips to get ECU boost controlled drag runs to have perfect consistent boost, but it takes a long time to get it perfect. Then the weather changes and you have to start all over.
In conclusion (on the boost tip), I know pro ECU controlled boost users are not gonna like what i just said and say Im wrong. I'm not. ECU controlled boost take a long time to get perfect and takes constant tweaking with weather, season changes and driving styles. In the end, it IS easier and just as functional to just throw a MBC on and call it a day
Also, big up to razrlab, as I see him as one of the originators of ECU boost control (along with mrfred & others. Thanks for all your work). NJ, on the other hand, just sat and watched us, then ran with all the info like he did the R&D or something.
Again, wheres my royalty check??
Now to address the real problem at hand. NJ......LISTEN. Your NOT SHIV, YOUR not AL, YOUR NOT scott (TTP). You can say what ever you want about these guys NJ, it still dont make you a tuner. Yeah , I know you can say "well i can bring up this Al map and its block tuned all over, etc." We'll let me see how good you do tuning on tech tom without EVOscan to help you though. These guys are REAL tuner, the ones that dont need EVOscan and can do tune by using their ears and feeling the power delivery. Yeah, you can probably find a map from each of them that might have some "dated" techniques that are incorrect ways to tune, but they also have many cars doing fast time and wining big events.
There is another part to this, yes EVOscan made it so we could check our "pro" tuned map and point out their flaws, but if the pro tuners didnt do the R&D and test things, even incorrect tuning ideas, for us to learn from, where would we be??
(FYI, for peeps that dont know...
NJ did NOT invent, research or help develop ECU boost control.
I'm not a vishnu, dynoflah or TTP fanboy at all.)
Thanks for the confirmation Evo_kid.
While back on topic, I personally don't think software for the X will leak to a level of control ECUTEK will offer currently for a while.
Brand new ECU, brand new CANBUS system, its going to take some time. When it does leak, guess where most of the information
came from? Threads like this and people like Noize, AMS, and other Vendors who are spitting knowledge they learned from ECUTEK
and I thank all of them for sharing at the risk of someone later on taking the info and taking credit for it.
This is the Evolution X forum, not the ECUFLASH forum for the Evo IX.
Last edited by Sky Evo X; Apr 26, 2008 at 10:11 PM.
Evo_Kid posted that it takes time to get it right. Maybe he does not want to invest the time in it. He would rather use an MBC. That is his choice. It is just a choice. It does not make ECU boost worthless.