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Old Dec 14, 2021, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 240Z TwinTurbo
Thank you for your help and it took me a few minutes to figure out how to change from "Original" to "Patched," which is done simply by going to EDIT>INCREMENT.
use '[' or ']'

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I turned on the 4 patches, but it still does not work as designed although with your patch I got different results. The wideband (AFR) was targeting almost ~20:1 at idle and the front O2 Signal was no longer working.

I suspect the problem resides in how Tephra 88590715_v7 applies the rear O2 patch for running the wideband, which perhaps uses a different address. Can you provide your XML code for the Rear 02 patch that allows you to run the wideband. I probably need to go through the original thread for Logging AFR through the rear O2 sensor and verify mine is setup that way since that was the basis for MrFred's mod to work correctly.
I didn't even understand how it works, but judging by the attached Excel file, you also need to change - "Front O2 (ADC 04) RAM variable" to 6A6E
Ask mrfred for a patched file that is not available from the link

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Originally Posted by Dow Jhob
use '[' or ']'
I didn't even understand how it works, but judging by the attached Excel file, you also need to change - "Front O2 (ADC 04) RAM variable" to 6A6E
Ask mrfred for a patched file that is not available from the link
Changing that address didn't resolve so I'll reach out to MrFred for the patched file. Thank you again for your help.
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Originally Posted by 240Z TwinTurbo
Changing that address didn't resolve so I'll reach out to MrFred for the patched file. Thank you again for your help.
you need set:

Closed Loop Wideband On/Off to 1
Cold Engine Closed Loop AFR to 14.7
Min Coolant Temp To Use AFR Table to 70

you need calc and set:
"Wideband AFR Correlation 1/mL Value", for LC-1 1/mL = 31.9
"Wideband AFR Correlation bL/mL Value", for LC-1 bL/mL = 289
"AFR Table Multiplier High Word" (try set 3) and "AFR Table Multiplier Low Word" (try set 0xACCD) or reload my patch with "modern AFR Table Multiplier" (set to 1)

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Originally Posted by Dow Jhob
you need set:

Closed Loop Wideband On/Off to 1
Cold Engine Closed Loop AFR to 14.7
Min Coolant Temp To Use AFR Table to 70

you need calc and set:
"Wideband AFR Correlation 1/mL Value", for LC-1 1/mL = 31.9
"Wideband AFR Correlation bL/mL Value", for LC-1 bL/mL = 289
"AFR Table Multiplier High Word" (try set 3) and "AFR Table Multiplier Low Word" (try set 0xACCD) or reload my patch with "modern AFR Table Multiplier" (set to 1)
I use the PLX, which is 10-20 AFR so my settings are 25.5(1/mL) & 255(bL/mL). My other settings are...
Closed Loop Wideband On/Off to 1
Cold Engine Closed Loop AFR to 14.5
Min Coolant Temp To Use AFR Table to 81

I'll try your recommended fixes tomorrow to see if they work.
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Originally Posted by Dow Jhob
you need set:

Closed Loop Wideband On/Off to 1
Cold Engine Closed Loop AFR to 14.7
Min Coolant Temp To Use AFR Table to 70

you need calc and set:
"Wideband AFR Correlation 1/mL Value", for LC-1 1/mL = 31.9
"Wideband AFR Correlation bL/mL Value", for LC-1 bL/mL = 289
"AFR Table Multiplier High Word" (try set 3) and "AFR Table Multiplier Low Word" (try set 0xACCD) or reload my patch with "modern AFR Table Multiplier" (set to 1)
I've tried every combination and iteration, but the patch is not working on my 88590715_v7 Tephra ROM. The wideband works, but the front O2 signal just stays at 0.8V and I believe this causes my STFT to pull ~20% fuel and the car subsequently then runs 19:1 AFR and wants to stall out.
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Originally Posted by 240Z TwinTurbo
I've tried every combination and iteration, but the patch is not working on my 88590715_v7 Tephra ROM. The wideband works, but the front O2 signal just stays at 0.8V and I believe this causes my STFT to pull ~20% fuel and the car subsequently then runs 19:1 AFR and wants to stall out.
nonsense, and where the wb signal is connected?
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Originally Posted by Dow Jhob
nonsense, and where the wb signal is connected?
The same place its been since January 2011, Pin 73.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ec...ml#post8957728

I am not the only one who experienced this issue as mrfred starting a thread about this mod and its compatibility with Tephra V7.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ec...ompatible.html
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If you still have not achieved monitoring of the WB in Evoscan, then what does the patch have to do with it? I have updated the instructions ..

change - "Rear O2 (ADC 0A) RAM variable" to 6A6C
change - "MUT12 Value (To Read Wideband)"to 6A6D ( if you want log wb by MUT12)

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Originally Posted by Dow Jhob
If you still have not achieved monitoring of the WB in Evoscan, then what does the patch have to do with it? I have updated the instructions ..

change - "Rear O2 (ADC 0A) RAM variable" to 6A6C
change - "MUT12 Value (To Read Wideband)"to 6A6D ( if you want log wb by MUT12)
I implemented your changes and the simulated WB is now working, which subsequently caused the PLX Wideband signal to display a constant 19.7:1 AFR. However, this did not change the fact the patch is doing the exact same thing, whether using your patch or mrfred's.

I start the car and the O2 signal is just a flat 0.8v and once the O2 Trims are activated it immediately pulls the maximum amount of fuel because I assume it thinks the engine is rich (0.8v). Subsequently, the AFR starts to lean out and will eventually go to 20:1 and the car almost dies because it is so lean. It is very possible I have done something wrong, but this same occurrence was reported by multiple people within this thread. I would be happy to send you my ROM and tune file if that helps.


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Originally Posted by 240Z TwinTurbo
I implemented your changes and the simulated WB is now working, which subsequently caused the PLX Wideband signal to display a constant 19.7:1 AFR. However, this did not change the fact the patch is doing the exact same thing, whether using your patch or mrfred's.

I start the car and the O2 signal is just a flat 0.8v and once the O2 Trims are activated it immediately pulls the maximum amount of fuel because I assume it thinks the engine is rich (0.8v). Subsequently, the AFR starts to lean out and will eventually go to 20:1 and the car almost dies because it is so lean. It is very possible I have done something wrong, but this same occurrence was reported by multiple people within this thread. I would be happy to send you my ROM and tune file if that helps.

absolutely not informative, you need a log mut12,
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Originally Posted by Dow Jhob
absolutely not informative, you need a log mut12,
Request 12 is what I logged with EVOScan and is labeled "Wideband Analog Signal" in the graph provided. I confirmed in the MUT Table that MUT12 is 6A6D.
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Originally Posted by 240Z TwinTurbo
Request 12 is what I logged with EVOScan and is labeled "Wideband Analog Signal" in the graph provided. I confirmed in the MUT Table that MUT12 is 6A6D.
mut13? and you disable tephra rearO2sim?

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Originally Posted by Dow Jhob
mut13? and you disable tephra rearO2sim?
Mut13 = 0x6A65
Enable Rear O2 Simulator = 0

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Originally Posted by 240Z TwinTurbo
Mut13 = 0x6A65
Enable Rear O2 Simulator = 0
log mut13
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Originally Posted by Dow Jhob
log mut13
MUT13 was logged in the previous graph, which I have again posted below and is labeled "O2 Sensor." As you can see it logs a constant output of 0.8v.





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