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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadSpike
Just as a general note once I got around to testing the direct boost control I found the scalings for the kavlico were just a bit off.

I have played around with the scaling until i found one that matches my car at least with a 5 bar sensor. I then adjusted the formula to match up with the 3.5 Bar included in this post enjoy.

Major props to MrFred for providing the knowledge to crack this piece of the puzzle.

PHP Code:
    <scaling name="PSIa8 Kavlico3.5barMAP" units="PSIa" toexpr="x*0.124-3.324" frexpr="(x+3.324)/0.124" format="%.1f" min="0" max="24.9" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint8" endian="big"/>
    <scaling name="PSIa8 Kavlico5barMAP" units="PSIa" toexpr="x*0.177-4.621" frexpr="(x+4.621)/0.177" format="%.1f" min="0" max="37.3" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint8" endian="big"/>
    <scaling name="PSIa16 Kavlico3.5barMAP" units="PSIa" toexpr="x*0.124-3.324" frexpr="(x+3.324)/0.124" format="%.1f" min="0" max="34.3" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/>
    <scaling name="PSIa16 Kavlico5barMAP" units="PSIa" toexpr="x*0.177-4.621" frexpr="(x+4.621)/0.177" format="%.1f" min="0" max="51.4" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/>
    <scaling name="BoostErrorPsi Kavlico3.5barMAP" units="psi" toexpr="(x-128)*0.031" frexpr="(x/0.031)+128" format="%.1f" min="-4" max="4" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/>
    <scaling name="BoostErrorPsi Kavlico5barMAP" units="psi" toexpr="(x-128)*0.04425" frexpr="(x/0.04425)+128" format="%.1f" min="-5.7" max="5.7" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> 


Might this mean that EvoScan is off too when it comes to logging the 3.5 bar sensor ? ?
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Appauldd
Might this mean that EvoScan is off too when it comes to logging the 3.5 bar sensor ? ?
Perhaps what scaling are you using for the sensor? I just whipped one up with excel for the 5 bar last time and it works like a champ. I also have noticed that the location of the sensor at least for me played a role in the readings I got
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 10:57 PM
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EvoScan simply says "x" as the scaling. I would imagine that it accepts whatever is in the Zeitronix software as correct.

As for location, I have mine tied directly to the MDP sensor with a line running from the FPR. Will it make a difference that it is horizontal rather than vertical?

I ask because my AVC-R requires the sensor to be vertical for accuracy. Guess it is sensitive to baro pressure too.
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Appauldd
EvoScan simply says "x" as the scaling. I would imagine that it accepts whatever is in the Zeitronix software as correct.

As for location, I have mine tied directly to the MDP sensor with a line running from the FPR. Will it make a difference that it is horizontal rather than vertical?

I ask because my AVC-R requires the sensor to be vertical for accuracy. Guess it is sensitive to baro pressure too.
Hmm now that you mention it i did notice a interesting disparity between the 5 bar in the car which i log with the zeitronix and the 5 bar i have in place of the MDP on my personal car. I think the one in car is nearly upside down and reads just ever so slightly higher than the horizontal one. The difference was truely marginal though and any response time difference i attributed to the line/restrictor in the secodary sensor.

But to answer your question yes evoscan assumes the output from zeitronix is correct. You may see how zero'ed out the sensor is, I found mine to be slightly off which i think was merely the altitude I'm at here 1200 ft.
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Old Dec 15, 2009 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadSpike

PHP Code:
    <scaling name="PSIa8 Kavlico3.5barMAP" units="PSIa" toexpr="x*0.124-3.324" frexpr="(x+3.324)/0.124" format="%.1f" min="0" max="24.9" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint8" endian="big"/>
    <scaling name="PSIa8 Kavlico5barMAP" units="PSIa" toexpr="x*0.177-4.621" frexpr="(x+4.621)/0.177" format="%.1f" min="0" max="37.3" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint8" endian="big"/>
    <scaling name="PSIa16 Kavlico3.5barMAP" units="PSIa" toexpr="x*0.124-3.324" frexpr="(x+3.324)/0.124" format="%.1f" min="0" max="34.3" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/>
    <scaling name="PSIa16 Kavlico5barMAP" units="PSIa" toexpr="x*0.177-4.621" frexpr="(x+4.621)/0.177" format="%.1f" min="0" max="51.4" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/>
    <scaling name="BoostErrorPsi Kavlico3.5barMAP" units="psi" toexpr="(x-128)*0.031" frexpr="(x/0.031)+128" format="%.1f" min="-4" max="4" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/>
    <scaling name="BoostErrorPsi Kavlico5barMAP" units="psi" toexpr="(x-128)*0.04425" frexpr="(x/0.04425)+128" format="%.1f" min="-5.7" max="5.7" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> 
What about the two KPa conversions? We need this to be correct for the scaling of KPa vs. load for the setting up SD.....

Do you have the scaling for that?
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Old Dec 15, 2009 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by phenem
What about the two KPa conversions? We need this to be correct for the scaling of KPa vs. load for the setting up SD.....

Do you have the scaling for that?
I'm pretty sure those are fine, I'm attributing the differences between the scaling and the actual values to the nuisances in my car.

Personally my car is set for this

Map Kpa:
16.196
28.204
49.06
59.804
82.556
108.468
299.964
499.676

Load:
0
20.0219
40.0438
50.7531
70.03
100.016
299.956
499.988
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Old Dec 15, 2009 | 02:56 PM
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Any idea on the ETA for the v7 IX .xmls, or did I miss them???

Im thinking bout ditching the v7 till the .xml's are out, as I can not add anything to the current .xml's, and have them show me the maps... Also tried editing the decel tables, and it just sets the values to "0", and stays that way. Wont even let me reset it back to the stock value...
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Old Dec 15, 2009 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nonschlont
Any idea on the ETA for the v7 IX .xmls, or did I miss them???

Im thinking bout ditching the v7 till the .xml's are out, as I can not add anything to the current .xml's, and have them show me the maps... Also tried editing the decel tables, and it just sets the values to "0", and stays that way. Wont even let me reset it back to the stock value...
Thats because the definition for the scaling is incorrect.


Just typing this out from memory but basically the ToExpr can't be the same as the FrExpr.

<scaling name="Mult128" units="Factor" toexpr="x/128" frexpr="x*128" format="%.2f" min="0" max="5" inc="0.02" storagetype="uint8" endian="big"/>
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Old Dec 15, 2009 | 04:43 PM
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What XMLs are you needing? All of mine seem to work great. If you want what I have I would be glad to send them to you. I have normal, SD, and Live Map XMLs.
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Old Dec 15, 2009 | 05:31 PM
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I shouldnt take it out on the rom... lol the rom is not the problem!!! Love the new rom Tephra!

Its just a bit irritating, not being able to add the ISCV findings by mrfred. I have a minor idle issue, Im trying to sort out. I had a couple other things I was trying to add, but @ the moment, cant recall what they were...

thanks roadspike, I'll look into that...

Thanks applaud, I have the .xml's, just cant get the new patchs to show up. I tried editing an older set of .xml's (non tephra) and am unable to see any of the new maps... weird. I took them out of both locations and replaced in both locations. Im running the normal 0715 If you already have the ISCV patch in, and dont mind sending it over, I would like to give it a shot... nonschlont @ aol

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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by nonschlont
I shouldnt take it out on the rom... lol the rom is not the problem!!! Love the new rom Tephra!

Its just a bit irritating, not being able to add the ISCV findings by mrfred. I have a minor idle issue, Im trying to sort out. I had a couple other things I was trying to add, but @ the moment, cant recall what they were...

thanks roadspike, I'll look into that...

Thanks applaud, I have the .xml's, just cant get the new patchs to show up. I tried editing an older set of .xml's (non tephra) and am unable to see any of the new maps... weird. I took them out of both locations and replaced in both locations. Im running the normal 0715 If you already have the ISCV patch in, and dont mind sending it over, I would like to give it a shot... nonschlont @ aol

TIA
I've ran into this problem myself, and found that ECUFlash cannot be open when adding definitions directly to the xml. Have you tried this yet?

Also, have you tried entering the new definitions manually through ECUFlash? (right click table --> select new --> add scaling for x axis blah blah blah) That always works for me when the new definitions won't take in the xml.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by D-VO
I've ran into this problem myself, and found that ECUFlash cannot be open when adding definitions directly to the xml. Have you tried this yet?

Also, have you tried entering the new definitions manually through ECUFlash? (right click table --> select new --> add scaling for x axis blah blah blah) That always works for me when the new definitions won't take in the xml.
Ive had ecuflash closed, but have not manually entered them in. I'll give that a try.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by phenem
What about the two KPa conversions? We need this to be correct for the scaling of KPa vs. load for the setting up SD.....

Do you have the scaling for that?
General note:

Boost control is fully tested and it works flawlessly with the new scaling. The other scalings are fine as this only relates to boost control. Also please see that note about the multi128 scaling being out of wack , couple post above this one.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 05:57 PM
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any updates on 90550001?
thumps up for your work!!
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 08:48 PM
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Still cant get the stationary rev-limiter to work. Do you have to have the clutch in for it to work?
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