I typically try to never post anything that would be construed as negative, but I feel compelled to speak up.

You have had this thread open since sep 2011 and only now you realize that the secondary air system dosnt provide enough air? That is all you can come up with? You are making judgments based on pictures???? You do realize the turbo alone in the wrc cars is worth about as much as our complete car...

Any decent search on lancer register or any other non US evo forum would have given you the answers you are looking for.
Secondary air type ALS on the EVO or ALS with other methods is NOT possible with stock equipment.

You fail to mention the most important part, the ECU. Even if by some miracle you could manage -30 timing or more, you still cannot tune the thing. Hell, I am not familiar with a US based person that could tune a secondary air system styled ALS system. Based on your comments, you currently do not have the knowledge or know how to do it as well......compressor surge is your turbo spinning backwards...

good luck to you. Remember you gotta pay to play...if you are really committed to making a working als system, your first purchase needs to be a aftermarket ECU...
I would be very interested in seeing a legitimate working system, so I hope you are successful, but the current path has been a dead end for a very long time.

 

I agree it was based on my idea that the pipe work was the bottle neck. Aswell as the valve.

If you think the compressor spins backwards you are less intelligent than you claim me to be. It's the dead end to a column of air with velocity. The only way to stop it is to give a release for that velocity. I want to release that pressure freely into the turbine. The stock manifold isn't free enough.. Its obvious I don't have the technical ability to do this. But I will still try.

I've clearly determined that the manifold is the restriction, and still am trying to figure out John Bradley 's claims to have it working.

The way I see it is it will always be a pet project and the reason I keep posting is because one day someone who matters just may, offer the extra insight. I won't give up my friend I've been in some pretty bad situations in my life and this is a good one by that baseline.

How I angered you though is my next project

 

I think this might be beneficial to someone who is trying to build a wrc grade Anti lag system, yet is not running any kind of valve to expel excess pressure in the system. The lack of a relief valve is in turn decelerating the compressor wheel to a point of either stopping or attempting to rotate the opposite direction of that which is intended anytime the throttle body is closed.

http://www.turbosmartusa.com/technic...pressor-surge/

Even Mitsubishi race cars use bov's, Do you think there could be a reason why?

 

Those were reported to be used AFAIK as relief valves in the event of an overpressurization.

I certainly think that a BOV is needed. Im a slow worker because racing, and anti-lag ideas are not my main jobs.

I have a good idea what my hardware needs to consist of in order to improve results over what i have experienced.

I do not know exactly what it takes to work perfect.

I am slow right now for the winter, so more ideas wont come until spring/summer

You have to look at the steps made since 2011. I have gone from inquiring of the ability of the system from the start. I have accumulated the parts from overseas, which were donated thank you again foxbat! I have spent about 500-600 dollars in DIY/cnc/plasma/waterjet/AN plumbing to see if my idea was correct. It wasnt. Now thats not a bad expenditure at all to find out something was not correct with my theory. And.. I learned a lot from that experience.

 

 

I think that ECU disassembly/development is required for factory ALS to work. Ratsbud did a great job experimenting with hardware over the past 1.5 year, but we still need the software part done!
Adding anti lag as a feature on the stock ecu would simply eliminate the need for any aftermarket ECU kind, in my opinion, it's such a big deal!
Two main possible approaches:
Mimic how group_a factory ecu worked, incorporating SAS.
Mimic how a stand alone ECU work, with more -ve timing & ignition cut.

 

Well honestly I know we can get als by jacking the throttle and a switch at the home position. Problem is no cyclic and the other issues we know of. But it's there and probably ok for an autocross car .. Als wasn't always refined even on standalone ecu.

Fox, we will figure something out because we have a common goal.

 

keep up the good work my friend nothing wrong with doing everything you can to make what you have available work the way you want.

 

re read the first line and try harder

 

Hey Todd,
Any feedback regarding this entire factory ALS issue?
Do you think that proper anti lag is 'theoretically' possible on a stock ecu?

 

yes without a doubt , bez bashni who used to be on here some yrs ago had it working on evo7 ecu .

 

Ill revisit any and all of this if i get a turbo speed sensor

Only 275.. Installed

 

Did he ever reveal how is it done? Do you have any further information?

Bez Bashni!
Sounds Russian :] Ratsbud, have you heard of him?

 

Negative ghost rider

 

Ratsbud,
You are much smarter than I, but misguided on this one.

I am not sure if you have seen this;
posts...56-65 with special attention to 65. User Claudiumxg ...spells it out much better than I ever could.

http://www.lancerregister.com/showth...=298986&page=4

you need some serious ECU development work to make it happen.