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Old Jan 21, 2008, 09:49 AM
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I was really disappointed. I just acquired a Vishnu bleeder. It is the same one that mrfred is using. I might try direct boost control with it. mrfred uses it with direct boost and it works.
I think it would be great if you gave it a try with the Vishnu bleeder (and stock pill at the tee and no pill at the BCS side). I don't even look at the boost gauge any more because I know its working. :-)
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Anyone know the approximate orifice size of the stock T pill? My has been mia for a few years. I may try the vishnu bleeder as well. Is it what they call the passive boost solenoid emulator? Hell, I'll try em all!

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Originally Posted by FuelsResearch
Anyone know the approximate orifice size of the stock T pill? My has been mia for a few years. I may try the vishnu bleeder as well. Is it what they call the passive boost solenoid emulator? Hell, I'll try em all!
Yep, that's the passive boost solenoid emulator. If you can find a metal tee, it would be easy enough to fill in the branch with solder, and then drill a hole to make a bleeder.
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Can people who are running a GM 3-port BCS post up their BEC and BWGDC tables. I am looking to see how people with the 3-port are setting them up.
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Originally Posted by MR Turco
Can people who are running a GM 3-port BCS post up their BEC and BWGDC tables. I am looking to see how people with the 3-port are setting them up.
+1 I bought the 3 port yesterday.
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Originally Posted by MR Turco
Can people who are running a GM 3-port BCS post up their BEC and BWGDC tables. I am looking to see how people with the 3-port are setting them up.
Bump, anyone out there with this?
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Just a note ... I'm doing some testing with a mostly flat BWGDC profile and basically letting the TBEC table control the boost. Results were promising to start, but my car's been down for a week. I'll do some more testing when I get it reassembled.

The only problem I see with it so far is that the stock BCS is a little slow to react and there seems to be a maximum correction that can be applied to the WGDC. I think the GM solenoid and a little more correction delay could help with the response in this situation and the max correction isn't an issue if you set the BWGDC somewhere logical.
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Originally Posted by MR Turco
Can people who are running a GM 3-port BCS post up their BEC and BWGDC tables. I am looking to see how people with the 3-port are setting them up.
I use a GM 3-port. Don't know if I should add what I have because i'm not using direct boost control, I'm on load-based. But here is my current WGDC table and the boost curve it produces (this error correction off).
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Originally Posted by TouringBubble
Just a note ... I'm doing some testing with a mostly flat BWGDC profile and basically letting the TBEC table control the boost. Results were promising to start, but my car's been down for a week. I'll do some more testing when I get it reassembled.

The only problem I see with it so far is that the stock BCS is a little slow to react and there seems to be a maximum correction that can be applied to the WGDC. I think the GM solenoid and a little more correction delay could help with the response in this situation and the max correction isn't an issue if you set the BWGDC somewhere logical.
Very interesting. I would like to see your results when you get them. What sort of BWGDC are you thinking, like 70% across the board?
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I started on 45% I think because of the weather ... that's why I found the correction limit. I wanted to keep it safe for the initial testing. I was running ~65% or so for my desired load.

Choosing a median BWGDC for all seasons would be the key to avoiding the correction limit ... likely somewhere around 70% as you mentioned.
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Originally Posted by TouringBubble
Just a note ... I'm doing some testing with a mostly flat BWGDC profile and basically letting the TBEC table control the boost. Results were promising to start, but my car's been down for a week. I'll do some more testing when I get it reassembled.

The only problem I see with it so far is that the stock BCS is a little slow to react and there seems to be a maximum correction that can be applied to the WGDC. I think the GM solenoid and a little more correction delay could help with the response in this situation and the max correction isn't an issue if you set the BWGDC somewhere logical.
If you guys remember I recommended this way of tuning a long time ago.

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sept. 16, 07

Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
Yeah, defiantly tune like this. Zero TBEC, use WGDC to get you to your desired boost level, then re induce the TBEC.

The only thing I do different is a run a flat WGDC ie 65s from 3000-7000. I just make sure that the WGDC I use, gets me to my desired peak boost. I then let the correction take away the taper.
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Oh yeah, I found one problem wit this style of tuning, Ill explain more when i have time.....
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Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
Oh yeah, I found one problem wit this style of tuning, Ill explain more when i have time.....
Wow i never saw your original post, easy to miss on this forum. I will be interested to see what you have found.
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I remember your post, but you never really expanded on it much. That's why I'm trying it out now ...

I'm thinking the problem you found with this method is that TBEC doesn't zero out when you let off the throttle ...


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