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Old Jan 6, 2012 | 06:57 AM
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a Load plummet issue

Recently I found an issue that Load plummeted while pulling my car. Currently I'm working on this problem.

Today, fortunately I was able to pull my car in Osaka ( no snow!! ).

Attached is the graph when I pulled my car. VirtualDyno result is overlayed on the graph created in Excel.

I drew two green circles on the graph. It seems that AFR goes leaner around the area where Load plummeting.

What do you think caused this? Glad to any comments. Thanks.
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Old Jan 6, 2012 | 07:06 AM
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this is likely your issue, I wrote a tech article for our site about this:

http://www.mellonracing.com/index.ph...roducts_id=805
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Old Jan 6, 2012 | 07:24 AM
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Hello,

Thanks! Ummm... It looks very similar to mine.

okay, I have a spare MAF. I'll try to compare both new and old MAF.

BTW, with cleaning the MAF can we reuse it?

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this is likely your issue, I wrote a tech article for our site about this:

http://www.mellonracing.com/index.ph...roducts_id=805
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Old Jan 6, 2012 | 07:25 AM
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yes, i simply wiped the dirt away from the airflow sensor with a clean q-tip.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 03:39 AM
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>yes, i simply wiped the dirt away from the airflow sensor with a clean q-tip.
Thanks to the info, Mellon Racing.

After Installing new MAF sensor bought from my dealership, I tried what happens to Load.
Look at the pic, surprisingly, the cause of the Load plummet was not MAF!

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this is likely your issue, I wrote a tech article for our site about this:

http://www.mellonracing.com/index.ph...roducts_id=805
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 03:54 AM
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I tried to log again but unfortunately Load plummeted again.

Attached is the log and the pic.

It seems that Load, MassAirFlow, and MAF_Hz were plummeted. The other stuffs, such as MAFVolts, and MAP were not plummeted.

Ummm!! I don't understand this phenomenon.
Is there anyone who can figure out what the cause is? Also, welcome to any advices for figuring it out. Thank you very much.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 04:12 AM
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whats your mivec maps look like?

what BOV do you have?
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 04:43 AM
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tephra,

mivec intake looks like an agressive version of the stock map. especially 2000-3500 rpm. On the contrary, exhaust map is milder version of the stock map. values ​​in the area of 160+ Load of the map is set to 0.0.

I have a stock BOV.

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whats your mivec maps look like?

what BOV do you have?
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 04:46 AM
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have you changed your 3xMAP tables?

where did you get the MAP_Calcs and MAF_Calcs from?
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by tephra
have you changed your 3xMAP tables?

where did you get the MAP_Calcs and MAF_Calcs from?
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 07:07 PM
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Ah, I've been forgot about 3xMAP MAF tables!
Load may have hit the lower of either MAP Load or MAF Load.

I'll try to check it. Thanks a lot!

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have you changed your 3xMAP tables?

where did you get the MAP_Calcs and MAF_Calcs from?
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 03:35 AM
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After getting advice from tephra, I increased values of 3x MAP MAF tables enough where Load plummeting. (Attached pic.)

As a result, no improvements were found.

1. MAF sensor is new and clean.
2. 3xMAP MAF tables have no effect.

Oh, My God...As the cause of this issue, what is left? I really have no idea what the cause is at all.

Append:
After submitting this article, I've re-examined about the 3xMAP tables.

When Load plummeting, (MAP - Baro) is like below. It takes around 20.xx-22.xx. Columns of 19.60 and 21.53 in 3xMAP tables are most close when the ECU processing the interpolation. Values of both columns probably might be too small.

I have a last chance tomorrow before leaving Osaka. I'll try it. I can't give it up.

21.38964757
21.3419572
21.24657645
21.29426682
21.19888607
21.05581495
21.3419572
21.24657645
21.3419572
21.29426682
21.3419572
21.72348019
21.86655132
21.96193207
22.10500319
22.10500319
22.24807431
22.05731282
22.15269356
22.24807431
22.24807431
22.05731282
21.86655132
21.77117057
21.86655132
21.81886094
21.72348019
21.72348019
21.58040907
21.58040907
21.62809944
21.72348019
21.48502832
21.58040907
21.3419572
21.48502832
21.3419572
21.1511957
21.05581495
20.9604342
20.91274383
20.9604342
20.7696727
20.81736308
20.72198233
20.72198233
20.48353046
20.57891121
20.57891121
20.43584008
20.53122083
Originally Posted by crimson red
Ah, I've been forgot about 3xMAP MAF tables!
Load may have hit the lower of either MAP Load or MAF Load.

I'll try to check it. Thanks a lot!
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 03:24 AM
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Notice your load curve is x20
Take your boost and x200 n plot a curve, you will see the exact same pattern.
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 04:13 AM
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clck,

I have to leave Osaka now, I'll log on my way to the ferry port.
After getting a log, I'll try to plot it as you advised. Thanks!

#I can't post for several days because on the ferry, then over the snow mountains.

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Notice your load curve is x20
Take your boost and x200 n plot a curve, you will see the exact same pattern.

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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 12:54 PM
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You can log the Load that comes from the MAF and MAP separately to see what's going on with your tune.
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