Dg motors dont play around
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This thread is not to start problems between shops it is to show why his car lost to mine with the claimed numbers by ICS. I was there with my own eyes saw his 277hp baseline pull. After a couple of adjustments the car started to wake up! I am the owner of the car this particular evo 9 MR ran and he couldnt not walk away from me considering the 9's are so much lighter and he was on 27psi to my 23.5psi. I know the 10's make more power mod to mod but heck I don't have anything other than a full tbe and a cone filter! Anyway I am going to run him again and if he walks away from me then you guys screwed up his tune and messed with his head! I can not believe a shop would want to treat a returning customer like that it is just not fair business. As for adjusting the dynos who you kidding you can mess with any type of dyno even dynojet! here is my dyno slip and mind you I have one of the highest hp evo 10's with my mods on his dyno! Thanks...
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7786/megain.jpg
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7786/megain.jpg
-George Kakaletris
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No more no less, you can also participate if you like.
-George Kakaletris
My friend the sheet doesn't lie just look at your run compared to the new one and justify that please i think u made a run made look good on paper then u went back and changed the tune just a feeling also when i left the shop the car only felt a little stronger in the mid range cause of the slight tq spike,the air fuel was also in the mid to high 10's and sometimes low low 11's just look how the new power curve hits.
The facts as documented in my video are that your car was originally dynoed at ICS on May 10, 08 and made 355 whp
13 months later with no changes to the tune of any kind what so ever your car made 3 more whp - 358
You say the sheet doesn't lie - I am telling you that the Dyno Dynamics can be manipulated and adjusted UP or DOWN
Without data about boost levels, a.f ratio and correction factor used I am telling you that the claimed RESULTS are falsified and inaccurate
As you know just a few days I spent almost 2 hours with your car both on our dyno and and on the road, I have the data logs, dyno sheets and also a video to document the entire process.
If you want to believe in the ink on a page that somehow your car suddenly lost 50 whp when it pulled into DG then that is your decision.
looks like alot of hatered bc dg motors helped someone out and fixed there car. real sad on AL's part that he needs to try to knock a shop down thats just coming up in this game. Are u scared of a little competition? I think so. BTY I drove both car yesterday after the tune was done on the Evo 9. and i garuntee the 9 will walk away from the X this time. The car actually felt like it was supposed to fell like.
Props to DG Motors on another 4 good tunes yesterday
Props to DG Motors on another 4 good tunes yesterday
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looks like alot of hatered bc dg motors helped someone out and fixed there car. real sad on AL's part that he needs to try to knock a shop down thats just coming up in this game. Are u scared of a little competition? I think so. BTY I drove both car yesterday after the tune was done on the Evo 9. and i garuntee the 9 will walk away from the X this time. The car actually felt like it was supposed to fell like.
Props to DG Motors on another 4 good tunes yesterday
Props to DG Motors on another 4 good tunes yesterday
When he raced the EVO X he lost by a 1/2 a car with Al's tune a few days ago, after DG tuned the car it was even. I was told by the customer word for word last night, so I figured drivers error not 50 whp 1/2 a car.
No disrespect to any of the tuners or shops in the Tri-state, Only one way to put this issue to rest.. is to re dyno on my dyno in the A.M as planned, that's all end of story.
-George Kakaletris
This thread is not to start problems between shops it is to show why his car lost to mine with the claimed numbers by ICS. I was there with my own eyes saw his 277hp baseline pull. After a couple of adjustments the car started to wake up! I am the owner of the car this particular evo 9 MR ran and he couldnt not walk away from me considering the 9's are so much lighter and he was on 27psi to my 23.5psi. I know the 10's make more power mod to mod but heck I don't have anything other than a full tbe and a cone filter! Anyway I am going to run him again and if he walks away from me then you guys screwed up his tune and messed with his head! I can not believe a shop would want to treat a returning customer like that it is just not fair business. As for adjusting the dynos who you kidding you can mess with any type of dyno even dynojet! here is my dyno slip and mind you I have one of the highest hp evo 10's with my mods on his dyno! Thanks...
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7786/megain.jpg
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7786/megain.jpg
This is the kind of simplistic and uninformed thought process which seems to sadly become the marketing strategy for some tuning facilities
Based upon my conversations last week with the customer it seems that this informal contest of speed on a public highway was the source of a lot of confusion and anxiety for the customer. This scenario has repeated itself over and over again all over the US time and time again.
As a result of the customer's concern about the results of his speed contest with your vehicle, he contacted George who asked him to come down to test the car on the dyno and make what ever tuning adjustments would be needed
As is typically the case as shown in the above dyno sheets the customer's car was running 100% perfectly and in fact had picked up 3 whp over the 13 months since it was last on our dyno
How he lost to you on a street race is not something I can explain, too many variables, (eg shift points, driver error, even start, etc. etc. etc.)
What I can tell you is that the customer's car was running perfectly making exactly the kind of power it should only a few days ago and it ran that way over a long 13 months
Its telling that you would assume that we "messed with his tune and screwed with his head" It is obvious that I strive to give the customer the most safe and repeatable power that I can and that our goal is to make the customer's car as smooth, reliable, powerful and repeatable as it possible can be.
In this particular case as I have said above the car made nearly the same identical power over a period of 13 months - personally I am very satisfied with both the amount of power that was made with the mods the customer had and also with the shape of the dyno curve and the way it was repeated over a long period of time in a nearly identical fashion
It is clear that you and the OP have reached your own conclusions and believe what you believe
I am not spening my time here to try and convince you otherwise
The purpose of my posting here is to educate others who may be reading this about a very unethical practice being employed with these Dyno Dynamics dynos and to warn customers to pay a keen eye to the correction factor and also the boost level and other data
I think if you speak with all the good tuners they will all tell you that tuning is not rocket science or magic and that a well wrenched car that is properly and safely tuned will make within a certain range of power no matter who is tuning it. Unless some glaring error or problem exists the car is not going to suddenly pick up 50 whp from adjusting the a.f on a stock ecu evo - not going to happen.
As I have suggested, I had a certain 6th sense about this particular customer and the things he was saying so I elected to carefully document the entire process and I have a video of the whole thing, my data logs and dyno sheets to back up the power of 360 / 360 UNCORRECTED which is very good for a stock turbo . stock ecu car with no cams on pump gas.
Please take some time and see if you can find many Dyno jet sheets of similarly modfied Evo IX's making signiifcantly more power than the one of the OP. I don't think you will find many.
We have dynoed hundreds if not thousands of Evos and I have an idea when a car is making the right amount of power.
Look if the OP is not confident in my tuning and he wants to go to another tuner then that is understandable. There are many tuners around and a customer whould work with one with whom he is confident and satisfied. What bothers me is that an effort is being made here to smear my work and distort reality. I take a lot of pride in my work and I take a great deal of effort to do a good job, as in this case when you see the video you will see what steps we took to test and check this car to make sure it was running properly.
Al
No one is knocking on DG as I stated earlier. The customer told me himself as I stated in an earlier post.
When he raced the EVO X he lost by a 1/2 a car with Al's tune a few days ago, after DG tuned the car it was even. I was told by the customer word for word last night, so I figured drivers error not 50 whp 1/2 a car.
No disrespect to any of the tuners or shops in the Tri-state, Only one way to put this issue to rest.. is to re dyno on my dyno in the A.M as planned, that's all end of story.
-George Kakaletris
When he raced the EVO X he lost by a 1/2 a car with Al's tune a few days ago, after DG tuned the car it was even. I was told by the customer word for word last night, so I figured drivers error not 50 whp 1/2 a car.
No disrespect to any of the tuners or shops in the Tri-state, Only one way to put this issue to rest.. is to re dyno on my dyno in the A.M as planned, that's all end of story.
-George Kakaletris
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This is the kind of simplistic and uninformed thought process which seems to sadly become the marketing strategy for some tuning facilities
Based upon my conversations last week with the customer it seems that this informal contest of speed on a public highway was the source of a lot of confusion and anxiety for the customer. This scenario has repeated itself over and over again all over the US time and time again.
As a result of the customer's concern about the results of his speed contest with your vehicle, he contacted George who asked him to come down to test the car on the dyno and make what ever tuning adjustments would be needed
As is typically the case as shown in the above dyno sheets the customer's car was running 100% perfectly and in fact had picked up 3 whp over the 13 months since it was last on our dyno
How he lost to you on a street race is not something I can explain, too many variables, (eg shift points, driver error, even start, etc. etc. etc.)
What I can tell you is that the customer's car was running perfectly making exactly the kind of power it should only a few days ago and it ran that way over a long 13 months
Its telling that you would assume that we "messed with his tune and screwed with his head" It is obvious that I strive to give the customer the most safe and repeatable power that I can and that our goal is to make the customer's car as smooth, reliable, powerful and repeatable as it possible can be.
In this particular case as I have said above the car made nearly the same identical power over a period of 13 months - personally I am very satisfied with both the amount of power that was made with the mods the customer had and also with the shape of the dyno curve and the way it was repeated over a long period of time in a nearly identical fashion
It is clear that you and the OP have reached your own conclusions and believe what you believe
I am not spening my time here to try and convince you otherwise
The purpose of my posting here is to educate others who may be reading this about a very unethical practice being employed with these Dyno Dynamics dynos and to warn customers to pay a keen eye to the correction factor and also the boost level and other data
I think if you speak with all the good tuners they will all tell you that tuning is not rocket science or magic and that a well wrenched car that is properly and safely tuned will make within a certain range of power no matter who is tuning it. Unless some glaring error or problem exists the car is not going to suddenly pick up 50 whp from adjusting the a.f on a stock ecu evo - not going to happen.
As I have suggested, I had a certain 6th sense about this particular customer and the things he was saying so I elected to carefully document the entire process and I have a video of the whole thing, my data logs and dyno sheets to back up the power of 360 / 360 UNCORRECTED which is very good for a stock turbo . stock ecu car with no cams on pump gas.
Please take some time and see if you can find many Dyno jet sheets of similarly modfied Evo IX's making signiifcantly more power than the one of the OP. I don't think you will find many.
We have dynoed hundreds if not thousands of Evos and I have an idea when a car is making the right amount of power.
Look if the OP is not confident in my tuning and he wants to go to another tuner then that is understandable. There are many tuners around and a customer whould work with one with whom he is confident and satisfied. What bothers me is that an effort is being made here to smear my work and distort reality. I take a lot of pride in my work and I take a great deal of effort to do a good job, as in this case when you see the video you will see what steps we took to test and check this car to make sure it was running properly.
Al
Based upon my conversations last week with the customer it seems that this informal contest of speed on a public highway was the source of a lot of confusion and anxiety for the customer. This scenario has repeated itself over and over again all over the US time and time again.
As a result of the customer's concern about the results of his speed contest with your vehicle, he contacted George who asked him to come down to test the car on the dyno and make what ever tuning adjustments would be needed
As is typically the case as shown in the above dyno sheets the customer's car was running 100% perfectly and in fact had picked up 3 whp over the 13 months since it was last on our dyno
How he lost to you on a street race is not something I can explain, too many variables, (eg shift points, driver error, even start, etc. etc. etc.)
What I can tell you is that the customer's car was running perfectly making exactly the kind of power it should only a few days ago and it ran that way over a long 13 months
Its telling that you would assume that we "messed with his tune and screwed with his head" It is obvious that I strive to give the customer the most safe and repeatable power that I can and that our goal is to make the customer's car as smooth, reliable, powerful and repeatable as it possible can be.
In this particular case as I have said above the car made nearly the same identical power over a period of 13 months - personally I am very satisfied with both the amount of power that was made with the mods the customer had and also with the shape of the dyno curve and the way it was repeated over a long period of time in a nearly identical fashion
It is clear that you and the OP have reached your own conclusions and believe what you believe
I am not spening my time here to try and convince you otherwise
The purpose of my posting here is to educate others who may be reading this about a very unethical practice being employed with these Dyno Dynamics dynos and to warn customers to pay a keen eye to the correction factor and also the boost level and other data
I think if you speak with all the good tuners they will all tell you that tuning is not rocket science or magic and that a well wrenched car that is properly and safely tuned will make within a certain range of power no matter who is tuning it. Unless some glaring error or problem exists the car is not going to suddenly pick up 50 whp from adjusting the a.f on a stock ecu evo - not going to happen.
As I have suggested, I had a certain 6th sense about this particular customer and the things he was saying so I elected to carefully document the entire process and I have a video of the whole thing, my data logs and dyno sheets to back up the power of 360 / 360 UNCORRECTED which is very good for a stock turbo . stock ecu car with no cams on pump gas.
Please take some time and see if you can find many Dyno jet sheets of similarly modfied Evo IX's making signiifcantly more power than the one of the OP. I don't think you will find many.
We have dynoed hundreds if not thousands of Evos and I have an idea when a car is making the right amount of power.
Look if the OP is not confident in my tuning and he wants to go to another tuner then that is understandable. There are many tuners around and a customer whould work with one with whom he is confident and satisfied. What bothers me is that an effort is being made here to smear my work and distort reality. I take a lot of pride in my work and I take a great deal of effort to do a good job, as in this case when you see the video you will see what steps we took to test and check this car to make sure it was running properly.
Al
Thanks or listening everyone, have a great week-end.
-George Kakaletris
looks like alot of hatered bc dg motors helped someone out and fixed there car. real sad on AL's part that he needs to try to knock a shop down thats just coming up in this game. Are u scared of a little competition? I think so. BTY I drove both car yesterday after the tune was done on the Evo 9. and i garuntee the 9 will walk away from the X this time. The car actually felt like it was supposed to fell like.
Props to DG Motors on another 4 good tunes yesterday
Props to DG Motors on another 4 good tunes yesterday
If you will note, I have had nothing to say negative about DG or its "comming up in this game" in this thread or in any other thread in the past
I am "not scared of competition"
I am discusted by lies, manipulation and the use of a dyno as a marketing tool
As I have said and have demonstrated, the car in question made between 355 and 363 whp for a period of 13 months on our UNCORRECTED dyno jet. I carefully tested and checked the car both on the dyno and on the road afterwards.
If you or the OP want to believe that after 13 months all of a sudden the car lost 50 whp when it came onto the DG Dyno Dynamics and then that this power was "magically" re-introduced with some tuning adjustments then that is your decision. Clearly the facts and logic do not support these claims.
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No one is knocking on DG as I stated earlier. The customer told me himself as I stated in an earlier post.
When he raced the EVO X he lost by a 1/2 a car with Al's tune a few days ago, after DG tuned the car it was even. I was told by the customer word for word last night, so I figured drivers error not 50 whp 1/2 a car.
No disrespect to any of the tuners or shops in the Tri-state, Only one way to put this issue to rest.. is to re dyno on my dyno in the A.M as planned, that's all end of story.
-George Kakaletris
When he raced the EVO X he lost by a 1/2 a car with Al's tune a few days ago, after DG tuned the car it was even. I was told by the customer word for word last night, so I figured drivers error not 50 whp 1/2 a car.
No disrespect to any of the tuners or shops in the Tri-state, Only one way to put this issue to rest.. is to re dyno on my dyno in the A.M as planned, that's all end of story.
-George Kakaletris