Folks, what are we talking about here?

- If we're discussing a street car, then obviously this Evo isn't well-designed for the task. By the time it starts to think about spooling, my Kia minivan will be a half a block ahead. Literally. 100 torques at 3500 revs. I repeat, 100 torques at 3500 revs trying to move +3200lbs quickly. How does that happen? I think everyone sees the point. If not, nothing else can be said. Dissecting the idea of street driving into "traffic chess" or some other inane singular notion simply makes one want to repeat what was said earlier; I just can't see myself explaining the idea of a usable powerband on an automotive forum. If anyone does have questions as to its applications, please refer to the FQ400 review link'd earlier.

-If we're talking a purpose-built machine whose intent is to take on the 60-130 record, then best of luck. If this is the sole intent of the car, I'm definitely not qualified to comment on its performance.

 

You keep stating you opinion. I would love for you to attempt to burn me in your Kia lol. Even if we were in first gear and I was not allowed to launch.

For DD you do not need to have a race car or even one that can do zero to sixty in 6 sec. Unless you are racing to every appointment lol.

I understand that a smaller turbo would make for a more responsive car would be more peppy on the street, but that is not what everyone wants or needs. That is all that I am saying.

 

It's not really an opinion by every measure describing a fast car on the street. It kinda borders the notion of a fact.

<grin> There was LY Evo on this forum (FP Red) who witnessed my minivan going around him firsthand.

Edit: Since then I put a STM sticker on the van's passenger side just to let the locals know which beige Kia it is that's passing them. Really.

Maybe you don't, but I sure do! Actually, why don't you? I'm astonished at having just said this to someone who seems to look for every gain imaginable on his car, which brings us to the crux of the matter - all this to what end? (Please refer to my previous post). I can tell you why I drive an Evo and why its is configured the way it is - I want to go fast everywhere and anywhere I choose. If this means that I'm unwilling to accept an alternate perspective on a high-performance enthusiast forum, so be it.

Fair enough. Then, it's not a very good street car, is it?

 

if this car is only on highway duty then it is good for the street. getting to 6k is easy on a highway downshift and no minivan will catch it then. i think this car is a highway car not really street light to light car.

 

What the hell are torques?

 

It's me taking a little literately license in hopes of making the post more fun to read. Sorry.

 

Lol FJF, It is good to have a discussion with people in this board. Most simply degrade into name calling.

I have to agree that this car will have no place on a road course or autocross setup and will be burned by many different cars while attempting to make it to the movies and back. It would rule on a highway with a high speed limit and little turning. While still be able to putt around town.

For racing I would want a car that has as wide and large of power band while staying light and string as possible.

For dd in a city, I would love to have an old mini Cooper with a NA Honda engine dropped in. 1250 lbs. and 200hp on tap. I could stop and turn in a dime, while having a power to weight ratio near a new Z06. Not to mention fit into any gap.

For where I am at in Texas, I have to do a lot of long distance driving. I still want the large flat power band, but I also dont mind waiting for it a little. We have plenty of space and generally a little turbo lag is just foreplay. I really don't want to be boosting unless I ask for it. I found my FP Red to almost get annoying. I know its backwards, but with all of the driving I do, I am also worried about gas mileage. So a little large turbo like my HTA 3582 is good for me. I have to admit, to make a quickly leave a stop sign entering a fast moving street can require quite a but of throttle.

I have to admit that this build would be to extreme for me.

I would love to see your minivan in action

Have you seen the Van kills videos?

Sorry for the OT.

 

Forget the point that this is an FQ340 vs an FQ400 where the difference is what 60hp? As opposed to a stock Evo vs this monster where the difference is...a whole lot more. These tests show that if you take both cars in the same gear that the FQ340 will out-accelerate the Fq400. I don't know too many enthusiasts that deliberately run their car from 50-100+ in 5th (most folks shift down into the powerband). But in a real scenario where you bang through the gears as that site itself says:

"Both cars were tested by accelerating flat-out through each gear and gear changes were made just before the 7,000rpm rev limit. This time the extra top end power of the FQ-400 made a clear difference. Changing at 7,000rpm meant that both cars would only be dropping 1,500-2,000rpm therefore staying in an acceleration zone that should much better suited the FQ-400's turbo. The FQ-340 put in a good performance though and at 70mph was only less than 0.1 of a second behind and by 100mph just 0.4 of a second behind. At the end of the test the FQ-400 had reached 120mph just 0.84seconds quicker than the FQ-340 did. This equates to the FQ-400 hitting 120mph and being 23.08metres or just over 5 car lengths ahead of the FQ-340"

Which goes back to my original point which was once you keep the car in the powerband in a realistic enthusiast scenario there is not going to be any comparison. And once again back to my Topgear FQ400 test...they put it against an N/A car and both moved off in 5th and the N/A car beat the FQ in that test (heck this site even mentions the "Fiat test" ) if that is where you want to excel...get the Fiat! Do the "flat-out through each gear" test (i.e the real enthusiast scenario) and there is no comparison. And yes I won't need to ask the stock Evo guy to wait around, I'd drop gear and he'd disappear into my rear view.

And as for this

I thought it was posted pretty explicitly that the car was built for the 30-130 record.

 

We've already been here and agreed. I then asked how this was going to happen on the street. For whatever reason you ignored it. Please consider the logistics.

The results are posted and delineated. I have no idea why you keep trying to spin this.

Please note how you're the only one who wants to argue about this. And, to what end? You want to prove that a car with 100 torques at 3500 RPM can move +3200lbs with authority on the street? OK, whatever you say. I like the Internet, too.

Then, perhaps, there's no need to keep going on, especially when the points currently under discussion have already been addressed over and over.

 

I haven't, but I'll most definitely take a look.

 

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Please start your own separate topic on your opinion of cars that do not belong to you. Did you not see one of his other builds that was taking on liter bikes from a dig? If this motor was dropped into a chassis setup for top speed even with this power band it would more than likely set records there also. I know they have 10x the turbo options as the off the shelf variety that we have available to us, whos to say that he can't do a turbo change and set it up any other given motor sport activity?

 

...what?

Again, are we talking about a street car or a purpose-built machine meant to break the 60-130 record? You quoted my comment describing a purpose-built machine. If that's what it is, why are we going further debating an issue with no disagreement?

I don't know; who is? If ET builds a car with a workable powerband for the street, we can discuss it then. I hope they do.

 

He has already shown different setups, you should go through the entire thread, lots of information and engineering info.

 

For the purposes of this thread "highest HP 4g63"; please don't expect to see an every day street car. Anything kicked out by ET that is used as a showcase will be a purpose built car.


And FJF, if you want torque at 1500rpm, buy a mustang, otherwise please quit being ignorant towards the idea of a larger turbo. Anyone that has a gt35 or 42, obviously doesn't want to run light to light. They are serious enthusiasts, building their car for a serious purpose.

 

Seriously?