Yeah the 60-130mph attraction does make sense I guess, in terms of measuring just how brutal a car is once its moving. A few days have past, really looking forward to seeing the numbers/vids of the ET EVO's efforts - sounds like an utter monster

In regards to the worlds fastest drag EVOs, the quickest drag EVO in the US is still 4th quickest at best - unless retired EVOs are no longer counted.

 

The USA has the fastest late model Evo in the world. Fastest=MPH.

 

^^ are you talking about standing mile or 1/4mile???.....standing mile yes, 1/4 mile...no

 

1/4 mile and late model. Could be wrong. What is the 1/4 mile record for a late model Evo(fastest) mph?

 

A fast performance street car by most standards is rated on mainly on your first two statements. And for #3 starting from a 10-15mph roll you still lose that one once that car gets into its power band. The first part of #3 is valid but if you really believe that's the most important part of building a fast street car then go N/A.

And #4 is questionable....I don't really run my car on the street, but I will do the occasional off-ramp pull for tuning/hammering the car or the occasional twisty road runs. In those situations you keep the car in its powerband, so once you get that car into its (rev the life out of 1st and 2nd) I don't think #4 is valid either. The point is valid if you keep the car out of its powerband (ala Top Gear's FQ 400 move off in 5th test) but I can't for the life of me see why you'd take a fun run and keep the car of its powerband

In any case beating this one to death...this car personally isn't my cup of tea either but to say it doesn't qualify as a fast street car...

 

DS9 Evo 9 in New Zealand trapped @ 169.7mph

Andre's (STM Owner) personal Evo 3 did 8.23 @ 179.5mph

 

Here is the room that we built our manifolds and exhausts.












T3 frondface 4g63 welded.











while building Joes setup











Spyros

 

How? Neither exemplifies street driving.

Well, yea...

In lieu of restating the point, please refer to my previous comments. See below, regardless.

I don't disagree, but that's not what we have. We have a turbocharged 2.0L and 3200lbs of mass.

Questionable? How are you going to keep this car on its powerband on the street? By cruising at +5000RPM? It's now a 3200lb low-displacement sport bike? That's absurd. Race car, sure, but that's not what this is supposed to be.

This is how a FQ400 tested against a FQ340:

http://www.lancerregister.com/art_fq400report.php


"The low rpm acceleration tests were chosen to test acceleration from just 2500rpm. The FQ-340's turbo response helped it start accelerating hard almost immediately even in the higher gears and it pulled strongly all the way to the red line in every gear we tested. It was a very different story with the FQ-400, as the lag from the FQ-400's turbo meant that for every in-gear acceleration test the FQ-340 out accelerated the FQ-400 for almost 2/3rds of the acceleration run. It was only in the last third of each run that FQ-400 out accelerated the FQ-340. To be expected really, but the higher rate of acceleration in the last third was never enough in any gear to claw back the advantage the FQ-340 had made in the first 2/3rds. The result was FQ-340 comprehensively out accelerated the FQ-400 in every in-gear acceleration test. It's an example of what a wider, flatter torque curve will mean to a car's acceleration."






Notice how the lower powered car is actually more quick, given a realistic driving scenario. 20-60 the FQ340 is almost a full second (!) ahead. This setup is MUCH more extreme. Just imagine what would happen at 10-15mph roll, when this car needs 3500RPM to gather 100wtq. Sure, it will be ahead once it finally spools. Just make sure to ask the other guy to wait around. Tell me again where its benefit lies on the street.

It kinda doesn't. There's no way to argue otherwise, as we can see. Nothing personal.

 

I dont see why your so hung up on spool. Spyros even said he built this car so its in the optimal powerband for 60-130. Its what its built for. Its like saying a top fuel dragster is no good cause it cant road race...... Well no sh*t, but it does whats its built for pretty damn good

 

So the USA does hold the fastest late model Evo title. Dave’s former black car I believe went 172mph and my Evo went 174mph(former Dogboxracing car).

 

FJF, it almost sounds like you are talking about playing traffic chess. Unless you really need to jump out there, I don't see the need to have explosive 20-60 acceleration capability. I do see a need for excellent handling and braking though.

If I am planning to pass, tearing through a busy intersection, etc., I would simply downshift, launch, or brake boost. I bought a bigger turbo to help me stay out of boost all the time.

I personally have been driving like a grandma, most of the time. I have gotten tired of shredding tires, getting tickets and burning through gas.

I wait for an opening. No need to jump out there for most part of weave in and out scrambling for position.

Bigger turbos for long highway pulls, little ones for traffic chess. Both are fun and shine in different areas. It's up to individual what they are looking for in their daily driver.

 

I post with the idea of mutual respect, meaning, I assume that others are aware of the same automotive concerns as myself. You'll have to forgive me if I don't sit here and explain the idea behind actually driving a car as an automotive enthusiast.

 

I forget that one persons idea is right no matter how others see or feel. There is only one way lol.

I love driving my car in all situations. I just don't feel the need to have instant gratification.

 

Although I agree with many of your statements, being an automotive enthusiast encompasses many aspects of enjoying cars. Although your concerns are valid, they might not reflect the concerns of everyone (such as in this case).

 

FJF,

An HKS 7460 or FP green bb with a 2.3 would maximize streetability and response, but that is not everybodys cup of tea. any bigger or less displacement and you are not the fastest in "traffic chess" as mt mentioned. N/A larger displacement is the winner for that purpose.