FP Black on Pump vs. Stock IX Turbo
Hey, I am just sharing the results. If I had additional work done to the car I would simply say so. Not one part on the car has seen a porting tool. It is going to make more power so stay tuned. We ran out of fuel pump and were at 103% on PT 1000cc's w/ a 255LPH in tank. Double pumper for the next runs.
It isn't flywheel....funny.
It isn't flywheel....funny.
I hope I don't sound like a typical hater or skeptic. Let me just state. My car is pretty fast with meth on or off. All wrenching done myself. All mods installed by myself and tuned myself.
From time to time I come across threads that leave me feeling like something just don't seem right.
Stock motor + FP Black turbo + 93 octane + 32psi = 576whp (hmmmm)
Built motor(ported all over) + FP Black Turbo(ported) + 93 octane + 32psi = 576whp(easier to digest)
From time to time I come across threads that leave me feeling like something just don't seem right.
Stock motor + FP Black turbo + 93 octane + 32psi = 576whp (hmmmm)
Built motor(ported all over) + FP Black Turbo(ported) + 93 octane + 32psi = 576whp(easier to digest)
Look at my signature
Look at my signature. Note, I am looking to buy a BR short-block. Would I be if my motor was built? I plan to push this one harder first. When I can feed enough fuel to this monster, I will put C16 in it and see what this turbo can really do. It seems that this is a combo that just works. I have Kelford 272's and head studs and that is all.
I hope I don't sound like a typical hater or skeptic. Let me just state. My car is pretty fast with meth on or off. All wrenching done myself. All mods installed by myself and tuned myself.
From time to time I come across threads that leave me feeling like something just don't seem right.
Stock motor + FP Black turbo + 93 octane + 32psi = 576whp (hmmmm)
Built motor(ported all over) + FP Black Turbo(ported) + 93 octane + 32psi = 576whp(easier to digest)
From time to time I come across threads that leave me feeling like something just don't seem right.
Stock motor + FP Black turbo + 93 octane + 32psi = 576whp (hmmmm)
Built motor(ported all over) + FP Black Turbo(ported) + 93 octane + 32psi = 576whp(easier to digest)
OMFG...
I don't know much about the differences in dyno's and correction factors but AWD Motorsports in FL has a Dynojet.
I've got every possible supporting mod...Kelford 272s, AMS pipes/intercooler, Bushur ported TB/IM/EM/O2 housing/full exhaust/catless, Sparktech COP, walbro, ID1000's, etc and running 93 pump gas at 27psi...
I'm making around 440-450. There's nothing more I can do at this point that would add power other than run E85/race gas or build a 2.3 motor with head work. More than 28psi causes knock, pulls timing, and results in a loss in performance.
Please tell me your secret!
I don't know much about the differences in dyno's and correction factors but AWD Motorsports in FL has a Dynojet.
I've got every possible supporting mod...Kelford 272s, AMS pipes/intercooler, Bushur ported TB/IM/EM/O2 housing/full exhaust/catless, Sparktech COP, walbro, ID1000's, etc and running 93 pump gas at 27psi...
I'm making around 440-450. There's nothing more I can do at this point that would add power other than run E85/race gas or build a 2.3 motor with head work. More than 28psi causes knock, pulls timing, and results in a loss in performance.
Please tell me your secret!
While running more boost will usually net higher gains, consistency goes down between pulls, as seen w/ my car.
Also keep in mind theres always that point where more boost doesnt = more power, and just blows hot air...
Since this turbo's efficiency range is above 25+, its no wonder that it responds well above this level(~30psi) . 24 psi is retarded on this turbo (was a good comparison) just not what this turbo wants... My concern is, doing this on pump (91) and longevity of the turbo.
Last edited by nonschlont; Oct 4, 2010 at 03:52 PM.
I wanna yell BS at the top of my lungs...but good for you man.
Isn't the Dyno Dynamics the "heart breaker" dyno that reads like 10-12% lower than the others? So your mildly modded setup with FP Black is making over 150 more whp than my car (with a ton more mods)...I dont see how you can safely reach 32psi on 93 pump...
Sorry...edited post...noticed your @ 32psi not 27 as myself.
Isn't the Dyno Dynamics the "heart breaker" dyno that reads like 10-12% lower than the others? So your mildly modded setup with FP Black is making over 150 more whp than my car (with a ton more mods)...I dont see how you can safely reach 32psi on 93 pump...
Sorry...edited post...noticed your @ 32psi not 27 as myself.
Last edited by mchristian; Oct 4, 2010 at 03:57 PM.
I do admit its seems like the CF is @ question... The OP said there was healthy difference between 30 - 32 psi. Since no1 has run it that hard on pump, maybe its just that no1 has seen it in its happy spot. We all know this is a big boy turbo that want high octane/boost! Maybe it just likes boost! Obviously will have to compensate w/ fuel/timing, but maybe the gains are worth it... Certainly looks like it!
The tuner....
"The Shop" did the clutch, cams, head studs, and tune. Oh, one thing that I didn't mention is that I am running the Tephra V7 ROM patch w/ big maps. I will make a video next time. I am very happy with how inexpensive it was to reach this level. I am convinced this is the cheapest path to this level of performance with an Evo 8/9.
Just like most of us, I was a bit skeptical, w/ these #'s, thinking it was on meth, but NO, this is just pump 93. I PM'ed him. lol Very impressive #'s, w/ minimal mods!!!
Was this Big Al, who finished up the tune? Like I said, VERY impressive!
U are definitely "pushing it" w/ 450TQ on the stock block!!! From what Ive gathered, you would wanna be ~ 420TQ and under to keep things together. Theres always 1 or 2 that has done it, but just keep in mind w/ that much TQ, u should be saving for a built bottom end...
So basically this turbo "WAKES UP" @ 30+ psi (as we expected), and according to the OP, 32psi is the sweet spot! Question is, how reliable will the turbo be, 30+ psi on pump???
Im in the process of figuring out which turbo is best for my set up, and these results, are making me re-evaluate things... *most* will say its too big/laggy w/ the stock block, and now theres been a couple ppl w/ similar mods, (w/ a black, stock block, and most have cams) and say they love it...
Id be happy w/ ~ 450/390 ish. lol, but was hoping to keep spool under 4500...
waiting on the B...
anyways... Congrats to the OP, great results!!!
Was this Big Al, who finished up the tune? Like I said, VERY impressive!
U are definitely "pushing it" w/ 450TQ on the stock block!!! From what Ive gathered, you would wanna be ~ 420TQ and under to keep things together. Theres always 1 or 2 that has done it, but just keep in mind w/ that much TQ, u should be saving for a built bottom end...
So basically this turbo "WAKES UP" @ 30+ psi (as we expected), and according to the OP, 32psi is the sweet spot! Question is, how reliable will the turbo be, 30+ psi on pump???
Im in the process of figuring out which turbo is best for my set up, and these results, are making me re-evaluate things... *most* will say its too big/laggy w/ the stock block, and now theres been a couple ppl w/ similar mods, (w/ a black, stock block, and most have cams) and say they love it...
Id be happy w/ ~ 450/390 ish. lol, but was hoping to keep spool under 4500...
waiting on the B...
anyways... Congrats to the OP, great results!!!
This is my only car & DD
Absolutely, this is my only car and I drive it everyday - rain, snow, shine. I couldn't possibly convince myself to buy a $4,500 (or more) turbo kit for a DD when the 9 based turbo can bolt right up. I have gone the big turbo route in the past with DSM's and I hated to DD them. Also, the manifolds crack and the oil returns leak and they look like crap after a few thousand miles.
I wouldn't worry about the turbo at 32 PSI
This turbo can make 40 PSI as far as I know . People have claimed it has so I'm not concerned with the life of the turbo at 32. Maybe I am wrong, I don't know enough about failures with these.
some tuners like to run as low boost as possible w/ higher timing to achieve what they think is reasonable. Some like to run higher boost, while compensating for timing and/or fuel. Most try to find that "sweet spot".
While running more boost will usually net higher gains, consistency goes down between pulls, as seen w/ my car.
Also keep in mind theres always that point where more boost doesnt = more power, and just blows hot air...
Since this turbo's efficiency range is above 25+, its no wonder that it responds well above this level(~30psi) . 24 psi is retarded on this turbo (was a good comparison) just not what this turbo wants... My concern is, doing this on pump (91) and longevity of the turbo.
While running more boost will usually net higher gains, consistency goes down between pulls, as seen w/ my car.
Also keep in mind theres always that point where more boost doesnt = more power, and just blows hot air...
Since this turbo's efficiency range is above 25+, its no wonder that it responds well above this level(~30psi) . 24 psi is retarded on this turbo (was a good comparison) just not what this turbo wants... My concern is, doing this on pump (91) and longevity of the turbo.
This wasn't a freak run
This wasn't a freak run. We backed it up time and time again with 550 (red hot car) - 576 (cooled off for 10 min) runs and made 30 plus pulls. When we tried to run the meth we ran into issues with it and weren't able to get any power with it (we lost 40WHP). I had alcohol from the hardware store in the tank & maybe that was the problem. I switched to M1 before I drove home but we didn't dyno it with the M1. The plan is to run with pump, M1, Bluemax 1650's, and a BR double pump next time.
I wanna yell BS at the top of my lungs...but good for you man.
Isn't the Dyno Dynamics the "heart breaker" dyno that reads like 10-12% lower than the others? So your mildly modded setup with FP Black is making over 150 more whp than my car (with a ton more mods)...I dont see how you can safely reach 32psi on 93 pump...
Sorry...edited post...noticed your @ 32psi not 27 as myself.
Isn't the Dyno Dynamics the "heart breaker" dyno that reads like 10-12% lower than the others? So your mildly modded setup with FP Black is making over 150 more whp than my car (with a ton more mods)...I dont see how you can safely reach 32psi on 93 pump...
Sorry...edited post...noticed your @ 32psi not 27 as myself.
I wanna yell BS at the top of my lungs...but good for you man.
Isn't the Dyno Dynamics the "heart breaker" dyno that reads like 10-12% lower than the others? So your mildly modded setup with FP Black is making over 150 more whp than my car (with a ton more mods)...I dont see how you can safely reach 32psi on 93 pump...
Sorry...edited post...noticed your @ 32psi not 27 as myself.
Isn't the Dyno Dynamics the "heart breaker" dyno that reads like 10-12% lower than the others? So your mildly modded setup with FP Black is making over 150 more whp than my car (with a ton more mods)...I dont see how you can safely reach 32psi on 93 pump...
Sorry...edited post...noticed your @ 32psi not 27 as myself.
Mchristian i even have more mods than you, i think, and i made 431/360 @ 28psi on pump! I just have a hard time digesting 570+ whp with very minimal mods and others are highly modified, including myself. Only thing untouched is my stock bottom end!
Waiting to get the CF
It wasn't just the number on the dyno. The car pulls like an ANIMAL and I have no doubts after driving the car. I have built a 7 sec mustang and my body dyno is pretty accurate. This car is making this power. Everyone was very excited by the numbers (even the tuner).
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/fea..._jr/index.html
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/fea..._jr/index.html
Im with you mchristian! No offensive to the OP, i would check that correction factor before you get too excited....
Mchristian i even have more mods than you, i think, and i made 431/360 @ 28psi on pump! I just have a hard time digesting 570+ whp with very minimal mods and others are highly modified, including myself. Only thing untouched is my stock bottom end!
Mchristian i even have more mods than you, i think, and i made 431/360 @ 28psi on pump! I just have a hard time digesting 570+ whp with very minimal mods and others are highly modified, including myself. Only thing untouched is my stock bottom end!
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