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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 05:36 PM
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I dont need to know how eddy current dynos work to know they work wrong. It is simple math. F=MA. If the numbers are wrong for whatever reason they are still wrong. You wont find ANY calculator anywhere that agrees with your dyno for trap speeds and weights with the power your dyno says a car makes.

Why do EVO8's only make 190whp on your dyno? Do you really think that they have 30+% drivetrain losses? I agree eddy current dynos are nicer for tuning and have lots of good features. I dont think they are good at comparing HP numbers because they can be manipulated.

Originally Posted by CBRD
apparently you dont understand how a load bearing dyno works... or how a dyno that uses a calculator works...

Please do some more research, we dont need to start a dyno battle thread again.

Our dyno is consistent in it's results.. along with GST... and other such shops that have an Eddy Current Load bearing dyno... that is capable of steady state, controlled ramp rates etc... not just WOT pulls

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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by batty200
I dont need to know how eddy current dynos work to know they work wrong. It is simple math. F=MA. If the numbers are wrong for whatever reason they are still wrong. You wont find ANY calculator anywhere that agrees with your dyno for trap speeds and weights with the power your dyno says a car makes.

Why do EVO8's only make 190whp on your dyno? Do you really think that they have 30+% drivetrain losses? I agree eddy current dynos are nicer for tuning and have lots of good features. I dont think they are good at comparing HP numbers because they can be manipulated.
I just don't get it? Dyno's whatever the type spit out a HP number so a "tuner" can improve upon that number...... who cares if the dyno reads low by YOUR standards, its a number.....Like its been said a million times, the 1320 doesn't lie. Dyno number or no dyno numbers, its a tuning tool. It could read 1000 whp as long as it reads 1100whp at the end of the seesion IMO thats an improvement.

Why are you trying to compare Dyno's to Dyno's?
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CBRD
The key is you have to do it on pump to beat my record

and brents car made 722

cb
Damn chad! you called me out on that one! Pump gas on your dyno, you are the ruler and i'm not even trying. Now brents numbers oh yes im coming for them and you and brent are gonna fab the parts to do it!
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by batty200
I dont need to know how eddy current dynos work to know they work wrong. It is simple math. F=MA. If the numbers are wrong for whatever reason they are still wrong. You wont find ANY calculator anywhere that agrees with your dyno for trap speeds and weights with the power your dyno says a car makes.

Why do EVO8's only make 190whp on your dyno? Do you really think that they have 30+% drivetrain losses? I agree eddy current dynos are nicer for tuning and have lots of good features. I dont think they are good at comparing HP numbers because they can be manipulated.
R U butt hurt or something? Did you get dynoed thier and weren't happy with what you made? Want someone to talk too? I got you homie! PM me! I love the numbers at cbrd! It helps me reel in those suckers with the hpf m3s and techart porsches and mashem!!sorry!
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Teal2nnr
Why are you trying to compare Dyno's to Dyno's?
I am not I am showing there are known quantities such as power to weight and that acceleration for X amount of power is easily figured out. I would like a dyno that is closer to real world HP numbers. Dynojets offer the most realistic and repeatable numbers that work with HP/ET calculators and engine dynos. So since they all work together and they work with the math that defines HP I would say that is the best #. You do realize that HP is DEFINED and not some voodoo magic number right?
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pizzamanevo8
R U butt hurt or something? Did you get dynoed thier and weren't happy with what you made? Want someone to talk too? I got you homie! PM me! I love the numbers at cbrd! It helps me reel in those suckers with the hpf m3s and techart porsches and mashem!!sorry!
I am not butt hurt at all. I would call out unrealistically high numbers just as quickly. I have never dynoed there and I never plan too. I know what my car weighs and I know what it runs at the track and I am perfectly happy with it.
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 07:00 PM
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then i guess the discussion doesnt need to be continued.

Thanks for your input

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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 07:12 PM
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Then why are you even posting about his Dyno? Are you venting? Did you walk in and see your girl getting the work done to here by someone who had higher Dyno numbers? I'm just asking?
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 07:31 PM
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Give it a rest. Lets not divert this thread any further.
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pizzamanevo8
Then why are you even posting about his Dyno? Are you venting? Did you walk in and see your girl getting the work done to here by someone who had higher Dyno numbers? I'm just asking?
I dont see the point of you trying to insult me. I never addressed you and by your respnses you werent worth it anyhow. The reason I am responding is because of this:

Originally Posted by CBRD
There is something wrong with our Dyno now? Lol

Please explain.

Cb
I highlighted the part where he asked me to explain in case you missed it. I would like someone who likes super low reading dynos to tell me how a 271hp EVO8 "really" only makes 180-190whp? Do you guys think all the manufacturers are complicit in making false power claims or do you think there is 30+% drivetrain loss? Any answers guys? All I hear is "take it to the track" and "low numbers are more fun to dupe people into races". How about some concrete answers?

The point of this thread is a claimed power on pump gas and a single walbro fuel pump. If we cant establish wether the numbers we are arguing about are valid then there is nothing gained by discussing it.

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Old Oct 28, 2010 | 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by batty200
I dont see the point of you trying to insult me. I never addressed you and by your respnses you werent worth it anyhow. The reason I am responding is because of this:

I highlighted the part where he asked me to explain in case you missed it. I would like someone who likes super low reading dynos to tell me how a 271hp EVO8 "really" only makes 180-190whp? Do you guys think all the manufacturers are complicit in making false power claims or do you think there is 30+% drivetrain loss? Any answers guys? All I hear is "take it to the track" and "low numbers are more fun to dupe people into races". How about some concrete answers?

The point of this thread is a claimed power on pump gas and a single walbro fuel pump. If we cant establish wether the numbers we are arguing about are valid then there is nothing gained by discussing it.

Cheers!
I see what you're getting at now.....but i don't have an answer to your questions lol
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Old Oct 28, 2010 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
Hmmm. FPBlack comparison on our dyno-

I have done 490 at 29 on pump, but that was with a V5, S2s, built 2.0 motor, etc. We did 525@28psi on 92 octane with all the same mods on a built 2.4 as well. Knowing what it took to make 613@25psi on Mikey's E85 2.4 monster I really have to find it hard to believe this was legit on the operators end of the dyno session. What does a bone stock Evo, with the same correction factor your car used, make on this dyno?

aaron
I did the car, and was as surprised as you - trust me.

We all know the Fp Black doesn't do jack @ 25psi !

Bob needs to clean up some stuff under the hood and put some real parts on..

Then we'll go for 35psi on pump.
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Old Oct 28, 2010 | 05:56 AM
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again,

I dont think its worth addressing any further,



Continue with how this thread started

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Old Oct 28, 2010 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dsmfan95
Was this only 25psi across the entire pull? The hp/tq curves almost suggest that boost was creeping.
20psi - 25psi.

When everything is fixed it'll get a grimmspeed
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Old Oct 28, 2010 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by FQ4OO
500+whp on a single walbro 255lph pump. do the math, its impossible.
It normally takes a double pumper and 1000cc injectors for that power range.

1200cc injectors and single pump won't even do it.

I haven't even gotten through the first page of this yet - i know there are a lot more questions and maybe people calling BS ( I would )

When the car is fixed up and retuned Bobby will post results, then visit another local dyno

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