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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 05:40 PM
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You should do a few virtual Dyno pulls and see how the numbers compare. It is free and who doesn't love beating the crap out of their car?
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 10:45 PM
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You should do a few virtual Dyno pulls and see how the numbers compare. It is free and who doesn't love beating the crap out of their car?
I've got vd on my computer, I'll try and get some runs in tomorrow or Sunday
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 11:02 PM
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Nice numbers man
i to am contemplating getting this turbo but on a stock 2.0L i think this has now sealed the deal
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 11:11 PM
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How come on the e85 run the HP/Tq don't intersect at 5250? Not trying to be a dick, but I would expect TQ to come on sooner. I had a 2.3 with a Black and saw 560wtq by 4600. You would assume with a smaller turbo, it would get there quicker. Either way, that pump gas map is absurd. Wish we had good pump fuel here.
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Grip Master
Once I get the standalone and pump, i'll have it tuned on this dyno again, and then i'll take it to a mustang and see what the difference is.
mustangs read all over the place. put it on a dynojet.

that crank you got there is badass though.
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 03:41 AM
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Regardless of whether the dyno reads high or not , this is my definition of laggy beast. right there with EF4 results.

I see torque taking 1500rpm to increase from 300tq to 500tq. a fast spooling responsive turbo will do that in 600rpm.

sorry if my response hurts someones feelings. but that lumpy torque curve doesnt lie.
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 04:58 AM
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Nice numbers man
i to am contemplating getting this turbo but on a stock 2.0L i think this has now sealed the deal
Thanks man!
Originally Posted by GotWheelHop
How come on the e85 run the HP/Tq don't intersect at 5250? Not trying to be a dick, but I would expect TQ to come on sooner. I had a 2.3 with a Black and saw 560wtq by 4600. You would assume with a smaller turbo, it would get there quicker. Either way, that pump gas map is absurd. Wish we had good pump fuel here.
Thanks man! It really seems to spool pretty quick on the street. I'll try to get some vd graphs today, maybe they'll show the tq coming on sooner. I wasn't the one driving the car on he dyno so I'm nit exactly sure when he was jumping on it, but it definitely looks like it takes it a minute to come online.
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mustangs read all over the place. put it on a dynojet.

that crank you got there is badass though.
Thanks! Ideally I'll get it on a dynojet, a mustang, and a dynodynamics when it's done just to have comparable numbers,
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Regardless of whether the dyno reads high or not , this is my definition of laggy beast. right there with EF4 results.

I see torque taking 1500rpm to increase from 300tq to 500tq. a fast spooling responsive turbo will do that in 600rpm.

sorry if my response hurts someones feelings. but that lumpy torque curve doesnt lie.
I'll try to get some vd runs in today or tomorrow, it doesn't seem that laggy on the street.
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 09:35 AM
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Nice combo. Definitely try a get a log on vd and only log the essentials. I would love to do a similar setup but instead of the 2.3 i would like to try a 2.2 with that same brand crank.

Post the vid when ever possible!
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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 12:27 PM
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awesome build list for the motor, it has to be a blast. I'm really glad to see a BBK-C rolling out. I wanted one bad when i thought they were becoming available... like 2 years ago, lol.

BUT... I don't think that fuel pump is capable of even getting to 500whp on E85, on a reputable Mustang Dyno. I don't see how it could be getting enough fuel. I'm not calling your shop liars either, but whatever MD was used to compare is totally FUBAR.

I look forward to your VD graphs. Are you able to log boost? I think with the load on the street, it'll show how quick that thing spools; I'm guessing it's pretty quick.
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 06:19 AM
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awesome build list for the motor, it has to be a blast. I'm really glad to see a BBK-C rolling out. I wanted one bad when i thought they were becoming available... like 2 years ago, lol.

BUT... I don't think that fuel pump is capable of even getting to 500whp on E85, on a reputable Mustang Dyno. I don't see how it could be getting enough fuel. I'm not calling your shop liars either, but whatever MD was used to compare is totally FUBAR.

I look forward to your VD graphs. Are you able to log boost? I think with the load on the street, it'll show how quick that thing spools; I'm guessing it's pretty quick.

I'll try to get a VD Graph soon. we were having some problems with the car over the weekend, so I wasn't able to get any. Sorry Guys.

I will be switching over to a vi-pec ECU soon. If I can't get any VD logs before I switch over, i'll find a local mustang dyno to do a few pulls on.
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Grip Master
We wanted to keep the pump gas tune very safe, so @ 28-29psi on 93 octane, with very low timing (4* max) the car made 547whp/491wtq.

@32psi on E85, the car made 639whp/553wtq!!
Wow. Just wow. The CBRD turbos have always been pretty responsive and transient and I am sure those lightweight parts of the shortblock only assist that even more.

That is some beast power on 93-octane and those type of results would keep me from ever wanting to go with E85. Again...

...but those E85 numbers are simply fantastic.

The BBK-C is certainly a monster. Great job!
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Old Jul 16, 2013 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AreSTG
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BUT... I don't think that fuel pump is capable of even getting to 500whp on E85, on a reputable Mustang Dyno. I don't see how it could be getting enough fuel. I'm not calling your shop liars either, but whatever MD was used to compare is totally FUBAR.

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i agree with that for a 320 on stock supply line operating at the intended pressure across the injectors. the 2150s are indeed an effective cheater tool though because as the fuel pressure falls way below the target regulated pressure, those injectors can make up for it with a huge pulse width, at least until bumping into 100% idc or when fuel demand exceeds what the pump can flow at any pressure. my bet is perhaps as high as 550 whp dj with idc at 100%.

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Old Jul 16, 2013 | 09:11 AM
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I so wish I was there hat night, I need a ride in this thing. We are going to have nearly identical set ups. Very nice Zack!
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Old Jul 22, 2013 | 07:40 AM
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Bbk-c

Congratulations on your set up and thanks for posting your results. I was unsure as to which turbo to get and ended up with the bbk-b bb about 2 years ago. At the time, and for quite a while after there was no data on the bbk-c.

I had the vipec 44 unit and had problems with an unstable idle that couldn't be corrected by my tuner. I don't know if this has been corrected or was specific to the 44. The idle is not an issue on aem v1 and now aem v2.

David
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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 02:12 AM
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Good to finally see some results on the BBK-C, nice results

I was looking at getting one of these, but ended getting a good deal on the Blouch SE80R (basically the BBK-BB-C). It's good to finally compare a similar turbo.

Mine is pretty laggy at the moment, it's got the 3.5" anti surge cover, so I'm putting the standard 2.5" compressor cover on to see if it will help. Here's my graph.

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