Stock block PTE 5858 HKS 272 E85
Stock block PTE 5858 HKS 272 E85
I've been tuning CJ's car since 2011 on stock block. Recently he went from a 3076R to a PTE 5858. (Fuel is E85)
Mods are:
PTE 5858 Turbo
catless 3'' exhaust
ets 3.5'' intercooler + full piping
Tial bov
Buschur double pumper
Spoolinup COP
fic 1250cc injectors (73-75% IDC)
aeromotive fpr and aeromotive fuel rail
4" intake with perrin filter
Forge MBC + Grimmspeed 3 port
arp head studs
hks 272 cams i/e
custom ram air duct going to air filter from front bumper
Tephra v7 speed density /w hybrid boost
Cams really bottleneck the car. The 4th gear helped the engine breathe a lot better, and made quite a bit more power then 3rd. I believe with bigger cams both gears will be equal hp however or much closer. 4th sometimes always will make a little more power since it loads the car up a little better then 3rd. on a lot of setups 4th also produces a little more boost then 3rd.
With S2 or S3 cams this car would really wake up over 600whp.
2 pulls were with 1 passenger, one was just with driver himself.
Graph:
overall thoughts:
The cams really make it responsive down low, but rob a ton of power up top.
The PTE 5858 seems like a nice little turbo option for someone wanting around the 600whp mark on e85.
Mods are:
PTE 5858 Turbo
catless 3'' exhaust
ets 3.5'' intercooler + full piping
Tial bov
Buschur double pumper
Spoolinup COP
fic 1250cc injectors (73-75% IDC)
aeromotive fpr and aeromotive fuel rail
4" intake with perrin filter
Forge MBC + Grimmspeed 3 port
arp head studs
hks 272 cams i/e
custom ram air duct going to air filter from front bumper
Tephra v7 speed density /w hybrid boost
Cams really bottleneck the car. The 4th gear helped the engine breathe a lot better, and made quite a bit more power then 3rd. I believe with bigger cams both gears will be equal hp however or much closer. 4th sometimes always will make a little more power since it loads the car up a little better then 3rd. on a lot of setups 4th also produces a little more boost then 3rd.
With S2 or S3 cams this car would really wake up over 600whp.
2 pulls were with 1 passenger, one was just with driver himself.
Graph:
overall thoughts:
The cams really make it responsive down low, but rob a ton of power up top.
The PTE 5858 seems like a nice little turbo option for someone wanting around the 600whp mark on e85.
big thanks to Tom for helping me throughout the tuning process and guiding me on tweaking my setup to achieve better results. the car is a blast to drive and im really tempted to go with some new cams but I am content for now. pulls way better than my hta30r setup I had with little notice of the lag difference. I will definitely be using Tom in the future when I plan to reach 700+.
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A bit of info and food for thought:
On stock block/head,hks 272 are good for an amount of cfm up to an fp red turbo max on pump gas, and still they fall a bit short if you are after max power, but very good at creating an ideal street powerband in the same lines/type as the oem one. If you are going to run an fp red on e85 thus being able to take advantage and use even the very last cfm the turbo can push it is better to use more aggressive cam set to be able to feed the engine with the extra air e85 can take. So the hks 280s are more suitable, although I would personally also run them on a 100oct pump gas with the red. Hks280s with 226, and not 222 as one may find out on the net i.e, degrees of effective duration are very close if not the same to s2s on max hp on 93oct u.s i.e, but with better low down power as the extra amount of air the s2s push goes to waste. On e85 though the gsc S2 with their 230 degrees of effective duration and higher lift they would give around 25whp more than the hks 280s on the fp red but with some loss low down.
-To me on a street car is about creating the ideal powerband along the lines of the oem one.
-Your choice of s2 on the 5858 is very appropriate if you are after max hp.
-Another very good suggestion, and I consider these the best camshafts from an fp green or hks 7460r up to a gt37r is the Jun 272 cam set.
Edited to say, congrats on some good work and result!
Marios
On stock block/head,hks 272 are good for an amount of cfm up to an fp red turbo max on pump gas, and still they fall a bit short if you are after max power, but very good at creating an ideal street powerband in the same lines/type as the oem one. If you are going to run an fp red on e85 thus being able to take advantage and use even the very last cfm the turbo can push it is better to use more aggressive cam set to be able to feed the engine with the extra air e85 can take. So the hks 280s are more suitable, although I would personally also run them on a 100oct pump gas with the red. Hks280s with 226, and not 222 as one may find out on the net i.e, degrees of effective duration are very close if not the same to s2s on max hp on 93oct u.s i.e, but with better low down power as the extra amount of air the s2s push goes to waste. On e85 though the gsc S2 with their 230 degrees of effective duration and higher lift they would give around 25whp more than the hks 280s on the fp red but with some loss low down.
-To me on a street car is about creating the ideal powerband along the lines of the oem one.
-Your choice of s2 on the 5858 is very appropriate if you are after max hp.
-Another very good suggestion, and I consider these the best camshafts from an fp green or hks 7460r up to a gt37r is the Jun 272 cam set.
Edited to say, congrats on some good work and result!
Marios
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A bit of info and food for thought:
On stock block/head,hks 272 are good for an amount of cfm up to an fp red turbo max on pump gas, and still they fall a bit short if you are after max power, but very good at creating an ideal street powerband in the same lines/type as the oem one. If you are going to run an fp red on e85 thus being able to take advantage and use even the very last cfm the turbo can push it is better to use more aggressive cam set to be able to feed the engine with the extra air e85 can take. So the hks 280s are more suitable, although I would personally also run them on a 100oct pump gas with the red. Hks280s with 226, and not 222 as one may find out on the net i.e, degrees of effective duration are very close if not the same to s2s on max hp on 93oct u.s i.e, but with better low down power as the extra amount of air the s2s push goes to waste. On e85 though the gsc S2 with their 230 degrees of effective duration and higher lift they would give around 25whp more than the hks 280s on the fp red but with some loss low down.
-To me on a street car is about creating the ideal powerband along the lines of the oem one.
-Your choice of s2 on the 5858 is very appropriate if you are after max hp.
-Another very good suggestion, and I consider these the best camshafts from an fp green or hks 7460r up to a gt37r is the Jun 272 cam set.
Edited to say, congrats on some good work and result!
Marios
On stock block/head,hks 272 are good for an amount of cfm up to an fp red turbo max on pump gas, and still they fall a bit short if you are after max power, but very good at creating an ideal street powerband in the same lines/type as the oem one. If you are going to run an fp red on e85 thus being able to take advantage and use even the very last cfm the turbo can push it is better to use more aggressive cam set to be able to feed the engine with the extra air e85 can take. So the hks 280s are more suitable, although I would personally also run them on a 100oct pump gas with the red. Hks280s with 226, and not 222 as one may find out on the net i.e, degrees of effective duration are very close if not the same to s2s on max hp on 93oct u.s i.e, but with better low down power as the extra amount of air the s2s push goes to waste. On e85 though the gsc S2 with their 230 degrees of effective duration and higher lift they would give around 25whp more than the hks 280s on the fp red but with some loss low down.
-To me on a street car is about creating the ideal powerband along the lines of the oem one.
-Your choice of s2 on the 5858 is very appropriate if you are after max hp.
-Another very good suggestion, and I consider these the best camshafts from an fp green or hks 7460r up to a gt37r is the Jun 272 cam set.
Edited to say, congrats on some good work and result!
Marios
I would recommend at minimum a GSC S1 if someones after a super fast spool, but doesn't mind to sacrifice some peak hp.
D sport did a really cool camshaft comparison article if you haven't read it find it and check it out. its nice!
The S2 is really good. So is the S3. I am in the process of completing a full build I built at the shop with a EF2 using S3 cams with mivec. I'll share its results once were done. Its going to be a 93oct only car. I think a lot of people will like its spool characteristics still once im done with it. Displacement is still stock.
Thanks Marios!
big thanks to Tom for helping me throughout the tuning process and guiding me on tweaking my setup to achieve better results. the car is a blast to drive and im really tempted to go with some new cams but I am content for now. pulls way better than my hta30r setup I had with little notice of the lag difference. I will definitely be using Tom in the future when I plan to reach 700+.
I spy a bunch of emission vac lines you can remove and plug up! It would clean the engine bay up a lot, and a lot less chance of lines to get leaks from.
You can yank all the lines off the intake manifold then get the EGR blockoff plate.
You can yank all the lines off the intake manifold then get the EGR blockoff plate.
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I wouldn't recommend the HKS 272 to anyone personally anymore. Its really the most mild cam you can put into an evo aside from a few very unpopular ones that are irrelevant. Even the HKS 280 is a very mild cam these days. The HKS do have good low end response though as one would expect.
I would recommend at minimum a GSC S1 if someones after a super fast spool, but doesn't mind to sacrifice some peak hp.
D sport did a really cool camshaft comparison article if you haven't read it find it and check it out. its nice!
The S2 is really good. So is the S3. I am in the process of completing a full build I built at the shop with a EF2 using S3 cams with mivec. I'll share its results once were done. Its going to be a 93oct only car. I think a lot of people will like its spool characteristics still once im done with it. Displacement is still stock.
Thanks Marios!
I would recommend at minimum a GSC S1 if someones after a super fast spool, but doesn't mind to sacrifice some peak hp.
D sport did a really cool camshaft comparison article if you haven't read it find it and check it out. its nice!
The S2 is really good. So is the S3. I am in the process of completing a full build I built at the shop with a EF2 using S3 cams with mivec. I'll share its results once were done. Its going to be a 93oct only car. I think a lot of people will like its spool characteristics still once im done with it. Displacement is still stock.
Thanks Marios!
Over there with you people being able to use methanol fuel, and with the majority running fp red equivalent turbos and upwards pushing setups to their max, using a more set of aggressive cams is more suitable. Over here most evos, although modified, are running turbos smaller than an fp red, and we are all on pump fuel. The majority of evo owners prefer to have their car along the lines of the oem characteristics, full streetability is a must. The hks products along with most JDM brands were very easily available over here since the early days of evos/4g63 and still are in Cyprus and that was more than 20 years ago. If I was living in your part of the world I would choose to run domestic products also.
The S1s are the same as the hks 272s, spool wise and max power, no real difference to be honest.
I also agree with you that hks cams fall short on power in comparison to other brands of cam set of the same advertised duration but they do have excellent streetability/drivability, they are also comparatively a bit higher at purchase price.
No worries Tom, keep up the good work!
Marios
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Over there with you people being able to use methanol fuel, and with the majority running fp red equivalent turbos and upwards pushing setups to their max, using a more set of aggressive cams is more suitable. Over here most evos, although modified, are running turbos smaller than an fp red, and we are all on pump fuel. The majority of evo owners prefer to have their car along the lines of the oem characteristics, full streetability is a must. The hks products along with most JDM brands were very easily available over here since the early days of evos/4g63 and still are in Cyprus and that was more than 20 years ago. If I was living in your part of the world I would choose to run domestic products also.
The S1s are the same as the hks 272s, spool wise and max power, no real difference to be honest.
I also agree with you that hks cams fall short on power in comparison to other brands of cam set of the same advertised duration but they do have excellent streetability/drivability, they are also comparatively a bit higher at purchase price.
No worries Tom, keep up the good work!
Marios
The S1s are the same as the hks 272s, spool wise and max power, no real difference to be honest.
I also agree with you that hks cams fall short on power in comparison to other brands of cam set of the same advertised duration but they do have excellent streetability/drivability, they are also comparatively a bit higher at purchase price.
No worries Tom, keep up the good work!
Marios
Drivability is my main priority with any car i ever worked with on the ECU. A lot of people I tune really are happy after they see how much improvement I make with their drivability. I think drivability is just as important, if not more important then making power for most people. We want the car to be easy to drive around, but of course make power as well doing it.
I understand what you're saying about the brands being hard to acquire due to your location and completely understand that.
I dont remember the Dsport cam article 100%, but I do not think the S1 cams make the same power as HKS 272. HKS 272 are one of the most mild 272 cams you can put into an evo.
Check some of the S3 cams i tuned stock turbos on and look at the spool. It might surprise you a little. Now we know whats on paper isn't always going to be even close to real life in regards to transient response / just response time in general for a combination of parts, but on paper the S3 didn't hurt spool to bad on the stock turbo, and really helped it everywhere else as well.
Some setups on paper with S3 cams really get hurt bad. It delays spool 200-400RPM on some setups and can make and break the car for the customer depending how picky they are about spoolup. Throwing S3 on a big turbo 2.0L usually results in a lot of lag vs say a S2.
S1 will definitely outspool an S2, and S2 will outspool an S3, its just the nature of bigger cams.
For you if i had no availability for the domestic brands, id go with either:
Jun as you mentioned before. Very well branded company that produces great products.
Tomei. They have a really good camshaft line up as well and Dsport covered their cams as well.
HKS. If you want stock like response in spool/ just response in general but a little more power in general, then i have to say HKS will work, but it leaves to much power on the table for me to recommend it to anyone anymore.
Im sure im missing some, but thats all i can think of right now.
If I was a tuner in your area though, and sold a lot of cams I would invest in stock from GSC. GSC is top of the line when it comes to cams, and its the only brand cams ive been selling now to my customers for the past 5 years straight now. They are that good! The price is awesome as well.
Definitely check out the cam article though if you haven't yet!
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GSC S3 drive like stock when tuned right timing / fuel wise. Its what I have in my evo, and if I took you for a ride you would not know the mods the car had if you were blind folded/ears plugged and we were just driving normal.
Same goes with my personal car, modified dbb fp black-Juns cams, drives literally like stock!
Drivability is my main priority with any car i ever worked with on the ECU. A lot of people I tune really are happy after they see how much improvement I make with their drivability. I think drivability is just as important, if not more important then making power for most people. We want the car to be easy to drive around, but of course make power as well doing it.
I understand what you're saying about the brands being hard to acquire due to your location and completely understand that.
I dont remember the Dsport cam article 100%, but I do not think the S1 cams make the same power as HKS 272. HKS 272 are one of the most mild 272 cams you can put into an evo.
Yes they do.
Check some of the S3 cams i tuned stock turbos on and look at the spool. It might surprise you a little. Now we know whats on paper isn't always going to be even close to real life in regards to transient response / just response time in general for a combination of parts, but on paper the S3 didn't hurt spool to bad on the stock turbo, and really helped it everywhere else as well.
I will focus on " it didn't hurt spool so bad", which to me is bad enough on a stock turbo, but more importantly the specific cam set's capabilities goes to waste as the stock turbo does not come even close to flowing enough CFM to justify the use of a set of S3s. I am aware of the S3s capabilities,even GSC themselves state that the S3s are developed to work with a gt35r turbo and onwards. Through my many years in motorsport and tuning, along with a great deal of knowledge I have acquired is the fact that I should never take the results of any sort as absolute, apart from my own ones and even then.
Some setups on paper with S3 cams really get hurt bad. It delays spool 200-400RPM on some setups and can make and break the car for the customer depending how picky they are about spoolup. Throwing S3 on a big turbo 2.0L usually results in a lot of lag vs say a S2.
S1 will definitely outspool an S2, and S2 will outspool an S3, its just the nature of bigger cams.
For you if i had no availability for the domestic brands, id go with either:
Jun as you mentioned before. Very well branded company that produces great products.
Tomei. They have a really good camshaft line up as well and Dsport covered their cams as well.
HKS. If you want stock like response in spool/ just response in general but a little more power in general, then i have to say HKS will work, but it leaves to much power on the table for me to recommend it to anyone anymore.
As I already said they offer less max hp in relation to other brands of cams with the same advertised duration. Their new set 274/278 with 11mm lift and some pretty good effective duration makes significantly more power than the older hks272, or even the hks 280s I believe.
Im sure im missing some, but thats all i can think of right now.
If I was a tuner in your area though, and sold a lot of cams I would invest in stock from GSC. GSC is top of the line when it comes to cams, and its the only brand cams ive been selling now to my customers for the past 5 years straight now. They are that good! The price is awesome as well.
There is no such thing as a tuner that sells a lot of cams in my part of the world. Yes I know GSC is a good company at what they do.
Definitely check out the cam article though if you haven't yet!
Same goes with my personal car, modified dbb fp black-Juns cams, drives literally like stock!
Drivability is my main priority with any car i ever worked with on the ECU. A lot of people I tune really are happy after they see how much improvement I make with their drivability. I think drivability is just as important, if not more important then making power for most people. We want the car to be easy to drive around, but of course make power as well doing it.
I understand what you're saying about the brands being hard to acquire due to your location and completely understand that.
I dont remember the Dsport cam article 100%, but I do not think the S1 cams make the same power as HKS 272. HKS 272 are one of the most mild 272 cams you can put into an evo.
Yes they do.
Check some of the S3 cams i tuned stock turbos on and look at the spool. It might surprise you a little. Now we know whats on paper isn't always going to be even close to real life in regards to transient response / just response time in general for a combination of parts, but on paper the S3 didn't hurt spool to bad on the stock turbo, and really helped it everywhere else as well.
I will focus on " it didn't hurt spool so bad", which to me is bad enough on a stock turbo, but more importantly the specific cam set's capabilities goes to waste as the stock turbo does not come even close to flowing enough CFM to justify the use of a set of S3s. I am aware of the S3s capabilities,even GSC themselves state that the S3s are developed to work with a gt35r turbo and onwards. Through my many years in motorsport and tuning, along with a great deal of knowledge I have acquired is the fact that I should never take the results of any sort as absolute, apart from my own ones and even then.
Some setups on paper with S3 cams really get hurt bad. It delays spool 200-400RPM on some setups and can make and break the car for the customer depending how picky they are about spoolup. Throwing S3 on a big turbo 2.0L usually results in a lot of lag vs say a S2.
S1 will definitely outspool an S2, and S2 will outspool an S3, its just the nature of bigger cams.
For you if i had no availability for the domestic brands, id go with either:
Jun as you mentioned before. Very well branded company that produces great products.
Tomei. They have a really good camshaft line up as well and Dsport covered their cams as well.
HKS. If you want stock like response in spool/ just response in general but a little more power in general, then i have to say HKS will work, but it leaves to much power on the table for me to recommend it to anyone anymore.
As I already said they offer less max hp in relation to other brands of cams with the same advertised duration. Their new set 274/278 with 11mm lift and some pretty good effective duration makes significantly more power than the older hks272, or even the hks 280s I believe.
Im sure im missing some, but thats all i can think of right now.
If I was a tuner in your area though, and sold a lot of cams I would invest in stock from GSC. GSC is top of the line when it comes to cams, and its the only brand cams ive been selling now to my customers for the past 5 years straight now. They are that good! The price is awesome as well.
There is no such thing as a tuner that sells a lot of cams in my part of the world. Yes I know GSC is a good company at what they do.
Definitely check out the cam article though if you haven't yet!
Marios
