Comparing the 5 speed EVO trans to the 6 speed MR trans
Originally Posted by JF1GD2
counterpoint to the person that said more gears make the car slower because of more shifts required
--car and driver has test driven, and timed both versions of the evo, gsr and mr. they got a 13.6 in the mr and a smashing 12.9 in the mr.
i highly doubt the 5 or 6 hp increase cut all that time off.
--car and driver has test driven, and timed both versions of the evo, gsr and mr. they got a 13.6 in the mr and a smashing 12.9 in the mr.
i highly doubt the 5 or 6 hp increase cut all that time off.
Originally Posted by JF1GD2
lets make it easier. somebody that owns and evo mr needs to tell us what the factory sticker said on the parts description.
for example, an evo gsr says ENGINE: JAPAN, TRANSMISSION: JAPAN...FINAL ASSEMBLY POINT: KURASHIKI, JAPAN
now if we could get an MR owner to tell us what it says under TRANSMISSION, and it says USA, we'd know its either a tremec or borg warner. and if it says germany, obviously a getrag
for example, an evo gsr says ENGINE: JAPAN, TRANSMISSION: JAPAN...FINAL ASSEMBLY POINT: KURASHIKI, JAPAN
now if we could get an MR owner to tell us what it says under TRANSMISSION, and it says USA, we'd know its either a tremec or borg warner. and if it says germany, obviously a getrag
ZF is also German fyi
Originally Posted by GPTourer
I can't either confirm or deny that, but I can say that my parts department CAN order internal parts for it. This in contrast to the Getrag transmission in the VR-4 which has no dealer-servicable parts inside. In other words, you have to buy a whole new one if you want the dealer to fix it. The MR is servicable like any other Evo, or GSX etc.
Incidentally, the MR transmission lists for $4708.57. Happy motoring.
Incidentally, the MR transmission lists for $4708.57. Happy motoring.
That is most likely best the techs at mitsu don't know how to work on it yet. Same thing happened with the subaru 6 speed. But when they had a problem they had to ship it to SOA so they could look at it. If they determine that it was abused caused you had to pay to fix it and for the shipping.
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Originally Posted by mybada
Guys move on!!
Some leading manufacturers even come out with 7speed squential manuals... 6 speed is MUST for high performance car!! I mean MUST!! no exceptions!!
5 speed is just old fashion or for cars like honda civics, toyota corollas, and etc.
Sooner or later 5speed will be gone and all the high performance cars will have 6 speed or even 7speed smg!! may be we are already there... The only reason mitsubishi used 5 speed on evo was to cut down the price. Im telling you guys...6 speed is not a new tech... 5 speed is the past, 6 speed is now, and 7 speed smg is the future!!
I even have 5speed cars but I have to admit 6 speed is a new standard....
Some leading manufacturers even come out with 7speed squential manuals... 6 speed is MUST for high performance car!! I mean MUST!! no exceptions!!
5 speed is just old fashion or for cars like honda civics, toyota corollas, and etc.
Sooner or later 5speed will be gone and all the high performance cars will have 6 speed or even 7speed smg!! may be we are already there... The only reason mitsubishi used 5 speed on evo was to cut down the price. Im telling you guys...6 speed is not a new tech... 5 speed is the past, 6 speed is now, and 7 speed smg is the future!!
I even have 5speed cars but I have to admit 6 speed is a new standard....
That's a moronic statement. I had the 5MT and the 6MT in my WRX. The only benefit was that the gear ratios were closer, so you may have a *slight* advantage on the track.
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Originally Posted by hank
93% Japan, 2 USA so theres 95%?? says trans is from Japan but its a Getrag.
ZF is also German fyi
ZF is also German fyi
maybe its a getrag built under license in japan.
where is your reverse gear located, top left, or bottom right? if top right then its most definitely a getrag
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Originally Posted by BADWRX
That's a moronic statement. I had the 5MT and the 6MT in my WRX. The only benefit was that the gear ratios were closer, so you may have a *slight* advantage on the track.
Originally Posted by BADWRX
That's a moronic statement. I had the 5MT and the 6MT in my WRX. The only benefit was that the gear ratios were closer, so you may have a *slight* advantage on the track.
6MT is stronger than the 5speed on the rex based on people's bad experience at dyno day and etc.Regarding the evo 6sp vs 5sp. The 5sp feels better in cold weather before warmup. My only complaint is that the 5speed doesn't like to be rushed into 2nd gear but everything else i like the feel better under throttle driving. With normal driving the 6-speed is smoother so go figure
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Originally Posted by JF1GD2
who/what is ZF? I never mentioned anything about a ZF
maybe its a getrag built under license in japan.
where is your reverse gear located, top left, or bottom right? if top right then its most definitely a getrag
maybe its a getrag built under license in japan.
where is your reverse gear located, top left, or bottom right? if top right then its most definitely a getrag
Top right
Originally Posted by JF1GD2
so you owned 2 different wrxs, a regular one with 5 speed, and an sti with 6 speed? and then you traded it in for an evo???
Then I sold it last year and bought the Evo.
Theoretically for the same size transmission a 5 speed can be stronger because you can fit larger gears. Of course, there are lots of variables that comprise transmission strength, like design, alloys used in the gears, etc. So who can tell? I do know that the 6 speed transmission is not an all new design like the STi transmission but a development of the 5 speed box, which is good or bad depending on how you look at it. Probably good. Also, it is possible to have too many speeds. A six speed is probably optimal for a turbo, but for a big v8 with a fat torque curve, six speeds is pure marketing hype and not all that useful, even detrimental because making shifts is costly in terms of time.
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Originally Posted by hank
ZF is another German trans producer along with getrag
Top right
Top right
i made a typo last post, i meant is R in the top left area or bottom right.