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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 07:40 PM
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EVO Set up Question

Ok EVO masters and all that love the EVO's Im selling my 2004 WRX and buying myself a new 2005 EVO 8 which I heared fix some of the problems with the transfer. I will invest at most $4000 on my EVO so please post a list of things I can invest the money in.

I will keep from my WRX the Greddy Profec B 2 Boost Controller and the Defi Link Gauges.

Here's what I think will help me some with the cash I can invest.

Full Turbo Back (No idea which ones is good)
AEM EMS (Since I was told UTEC is not that good)
Injen Kit for IC Piping and Intake
HKS 272 Cams
Fuel Pump


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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 08:27 PM
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If you want to maximize your limited budget...

Forget the AEM EMS. It's a sizable expense that you don't need. Instead, consider a reflash, or chunk the boost controller and get an Xede + dyno tuning if you can splurge a little bit.

Scrap the intake and IC piping in favor of a set of adjustable cam gears for the HKS 272s.

3" TB exhaust and 255lph pump are good.

Do this and you'll be in better shape than your original idea, with money in your pocket to boot.
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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 08:41 PM
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EMS is nice, a car with an EMS will make the same power as a Flash and 272's, really it is that good, if you can get the EMS, get it, for teh Evo it works wonderful as long as you have a tuner that can do it right.
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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 09:13 PM
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A car with EMS only making the same power as a car with a proper flash and 272s? You'll have a tough time proving that one.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 05:52 AM
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For the 3" turboback, I would recommend Buschur w/ magnaflow muffler. The buschur is the most flowing exhaust and has alot of gains in power. As for utec not being good? Who ever told you that is wrong, i'm sure there are tons of members who will tell you otherwise. I know Malibujack will If you want to learn more about Utec being how it is much cheaper than EMS then goto the Turbo XS section and ask some questions, that is what we are here for Oh and congrats on your decision to trade for the EVO, you won't regret it.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by sleet
The buschur is the most flowing exhaust...
There is nothing to substantiate this rather bold statement. The Buschur exhaust is but one of a good few that will deliver equal power potential.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 07:33 AM
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I wouldn't say nothing... might say no more than any of the bling brand exhausts.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 07:40 AM
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EMS will put down an average 20WHP more than the flash.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 07:40 AM
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I would recommend going with some of the shops, 'staged' approaches. AMS, Buschur, and Vishnu all have great gains, and good, quality components. I would also check out the vendor forums, and see what folks have to say about them. The advantage of the staged approach is someone else has already tested it and spent time and money tuning.

What is even more important is that they will stand behind their products. For example, I chose AMS because I called them on a Saturday, AT THE TRACK, and they returned my call immediately, and worked with me to get the settings on my tune perfect for the track event I was running. Not many shops will take that kind of time with you.

You may pay a few dollars more, but for me, not having to 'guess' what works with what is worth the price of admission, and their customer support (most shops with staged systems), is the insurance to help me sleep at night.
Again, my .02.

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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 4Gsixty3
EMS will put down an average 20WHP more than the flash.
No sir, not vs. a flash and 272s it won't.

The EMS will however, be double the price.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeus
I wouldn't say nothing... might say no more than any of the bling brand exhausts.
Exactly.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 08:16 AM
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Kinda confused, anyways I wanted the Greddy EVO catback, find a cat delete and a downpipe. EVO catback is not that noisy and my Subaru is FRIEKING LOUD!

Anyways, here in Puerto Rico I dont think anyone can do a flash, I'll ask Jeff at Turbotrix to see what we can do about that. They're coming to Puerto Rico this sometime this month.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 08:23 AM
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Any of the popular turbo-back systems with a 3" diameter and decent muffler is going to flow similarly. The biggest difference between them seems to be sound quality/volume.

FWIW, Turbotrix seems to have a good reputation for mail-order flashes, so I doubt you'd be disappointed. If they come to P.R., make an effort to go meet them. Get your boost controller installed ahead of time.

If you get the exhaust and flash, you should set your sights on the fuel pump and HKS cams - 264s are probably better for your application, especially if you are going to forego adjustable gears. This will give you a nice, noticeable bump in power and money spent very efficiently.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Ted B
There is nothing to substantiate this rather bold statement. The Buschur exhaust is but one of a good few that will deliver equal power potential.
I am just stating what I read somewhere else. I was reading a thread by david buschur that there was a competition where several exhausts were tested on the same car and the buschur made the most power.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 09:02 AM
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Understood, wasn't trying to jump on you, just trying to keep conjecture out of it.

FWIW, there is almost certainly more production variation from car to car than whatever pennies of difference that may possibly exist between brands of 3" mandrel-bent turbo-back systems with low restriction mufflers. Just my $.02 of logic.
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