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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 07:45 AM
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the 272's have the same lift as the 264's - same problem

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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 08:01 AM
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I read it as there were no problems with their RS revving safely to 7500. Again, there is no way in hell that this interference would be noticed unless you install a "flow-bench" spring that allows you to see what is happening behind the shroud of a compressed spring. BTW the 264 and 272 have the same lift 10.8 INT 10.2 EX, so there is no difference between the two cams 264/272 with what we are talking about here....both cams lift the valve the same ammount, the duration is the difference.
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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 08:29 AM
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Stupid question...I am really not familar with a flow-bench spring so bear with me... How does that work? Is it possible that you are only seeing the wear & contact b/c the flow bench spring itself? Im just trying to understand why you are the only one getting these results.
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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ogvw
the 272's have even more lift than the 264's - exacerbating the problem
FWIW, the 264s and the 272s have exactly the same lift.
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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Ted B
FWIW, the 264s and the 272s have exactly the same lift.
^ correct - fixed my post Thanks!
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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by NYREDEVO
Stupid question...I am really not familar with a flow-bench spring so bear with me... How does that work? Is it possible that you are only seeing the wear & contact b/c the flow bench spring itself? Im just trying to understand why you are the only one getting these results.
The "flow bench spring" is a low pressure spring fitted to the valvetrain during flowbench testing to facilitate moving the valve by hand. Its just a spring to hold the keepers/retainer together really....
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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ogvw
The "flow bench spring" is a low pressure spring fitted to the valvetrain during flowbench testing to facilitate moving the valve by hand. Its just a spring to hold the keepers/retainer together really....


So could that effect the wear pattern? You did not really answer that part of my question?
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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ogvw
The "flow bench spring" is a low pressure spring fitted to the valvetrain during flowbench testing to facilitate moving the valve by hand. Its just a spring to hold the keepers/retainer together really....
Please re-read the above post.....it answers the question, it is just used to hold the syatem (keepers/valve/retainer together). I guess the reason that we are the ONLY ones to find this is because we actually did our homework, it is plain as day. And as we said before, unless you actually looked at the system with the "real world" valve spring removed. I guess nobody bothered to look for it.
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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by NYREDEVO
Is it possible that you are only seeing the wear & contact b/c the flow bench spring itself?
No - the spring does not change the travel of the retainer/valve assembly - it just allows us to look at what is happening under the retainer (normally hidden by the OEM spring coils).
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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ogvw
No - the spring does not change the travel of the retainer/valve assembly - it just allows us to look at what is happening under the retainer (normally hidden by the OEM spring coils).
Damn, you guys at Revolver certainly have your pants on straight. No Kris-Kross backward pants action like the other guys. Glad someone is doing this much needed homework. Very nice to have an industry leader like you guys.

We are definitely supporting Revolver cams from now on!

Best regards,
Jeremy
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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 01:08 PM
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The HKS 272's do NOT come in contact with the valve seal, I just went back and checked a head.

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just checked... really?
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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 06:33 PM
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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 07:14 PM
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What I don't understand is like shown in picture 2, it starts making contact at that cam position how come stock cam does not also hit?
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Old Feb 3, 2005 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jorge T
What I don't understand is like shown in picture 2, it starts making contact at that cam position how come stock cam does not also hit?
That is because the stock cam does not have as much lift (the amount the valve is opened) as the HKS units
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Old Feb 4, 2005 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Ted B
Stock Cams Lift:

Int - 10.0mm
Exh - 9.5mm


HKS Cams Lift:

Int - 10.8mm
Exh - 10.2mm



You're talking about a difference of only 0.7-0.8mm for each.
So the cam lift difference is less than a millimeter. But in the pictures the seal is being contacted well before max lift and is significantly contacted at max.

Doesn't make sense to me. If the stock cam has plenty of clearance, why would an extra 0.8mm of lift create the interference created in the third photo?
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