okay, a few q/c's. I'm assuming that this is going to be a drag car, why not just skip the a/c cooling the air/fuel? it would free up some space and make it less things to go wrong-
will the exhaust manifold cook the supercharger internals?
will you still have a fmic?
i know fuel delivery wont be a problem, but what will be the new compression ratio?
maybe the new dry ice intercooling system will do great.
good luck bro and may the horsepower gods be with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

i remember that conversation... and yes this is nuts... and yes that's a lotta money spent and yes... holy yes

the dry ice thing is cool.... but he wants it sustained from what it's lookin' like now.

anyway.... you should do a pikes peak climb... i mean... this car is practically screamin' for it. high altitude performance... i mean c'mon...

 

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The goal is to make a car that is not just a high HP drag car. Alot of time is also being invested in the suspension, drivetrain, etc.

No FMIC will be used. We'll use two liquid to air systems. The A/C is being used for cooling in order to try something different. It should work well, we'll see. The dry ice intercooling system can always be used if the A/C does not work well.

The supercharger is protected from the heat generated by the manifold.

I'm not positve about the final compression ratio but I think that 8:1 or 8.5:1 is a good bet.

 

That A/C System is gona hit like a small shot of Nitrous when it hits a HOT IC.

M<y question is, isn't a BIG FMIC a better option then a smaller Water cooled item? I mean it is only gona be as cool as the collant and water and then double tax the radiator. I would use a FMIC for just the turbo.

Just my imputs, shoot them down if you must

 

looks good. keep the pics coming.

 

he said he would be using the a/c to supercool the LIQUID in the intercooler... it's not water... that's the catch.

i thought of doing this before (the theory behind it) and i figured it would work because you basically get the compressor to compess the freon/whatever you are suppose to use these days and that liquid gets piped into the intercooler which is under pressure (hope your intercooler can handle a good amount of pressure) and then the heat extracted will boil off the freon back into the pipes so you can radiate some heat off with an expander/radiator (hope you addressed this issue too 3240) and then compress it again with the ac.

VERY effective system might i add, AND it's continuous, continuous stream of air that is at LEAST as cold as ambient AND can be sustained. i'm sure you'll have to do some testing to see if the added cooling affects are worth the parasitic losses but i think you'll find that in a dual charge system this is a no brainer.

 

yeah but it's not constant I think. I mean it kewls the liquid THEN dumps it, sorta like bursts.

 

This is so amazing, my new favorite thread!! I want results!!!

 

hmm? it would work just like your ac... cept instead of cooling a radiator full of air it cools an intercooler full of air. if the ac does it in bursts then i guess it does it in bursts.

i guess what i really meant is that it's integrated into the car... you don't have to pull over and check your dry ice level.

 

I am thinking of teh Ford design that was NOT USED in teh Lightning concept where the A/C super cools off a batch of liquid then DUMPS IT ALL on the IC, acts liek a small shot of NOS, I mean, NAWZ YO!!11!!1!

 

well... i think i'm thinking the same thing that 3240 is, but that is a pretty cool idea.... to use the ac. cuz i mean it already is used to blow cold air at you in the cabin... why not blow cold air into the engine.

 

the thing thats getting me thinking is will the stock AC provide enough cooling to keep the turbo temps cool? i mean you are talking of a lot more energy than whta you use to cool the air going into the cabin! also you will still need a LARGER heat exchange to cool the lique once it has gone through the pump. and how much power will be consumed by the unit? will a conventional drive belt beable to transfer that much power and if so how long will it last?

it is a great idea, and i think its ace that you are trying it, but there are some questions that need to be aswered. but hell thats what engiering is all about and at the end of the day you could always use a water to air cooler if it dont work, so why not try it???

thanks Chris.

 

The A/C is used to cool the water in the water to air cooler. It will not be run constantly, only when needed like in the staging lanes at a drag race. It's almost exactly the same concept that was going to be used in the next gen Ford Lightening.