415whp GT3076r on pump gas
Originally Posted by GTVEVO
Guys I think several of you are getting way off the point in why this thread was created. I cannot believe how some people just can't stop, I know that most of you don't mean to come across the way you do but go back and read this entire thread it sounds horrible. This was started becuase issues were lined out due to very minor things that several of us have encountered while installing a turbo kit. Now that they are lined out the HP numbers are up and very satisifying. Damn congradulate the guy, especially somone that put together his own kit and supported his locals.
But its very nice that several of you can comment on torque simply becuase maybe you think you have more, I don't know thats just a guess but the reasons have been explained above why this occurs with bigger turbos (especially on a stock block car with no intake/head porting) and only on pump gas. Race gas will be different but there is nothing wrong with being safe, it is just smart from my point of view and from his tuners I am sure. I know that some of you have gotten the shaft and or had bad experiences and I have read several of your threads, I know it sucks becuase customer service just isn't what it should be especially when spending as much money as several of us have but lets not micro manage Strongbear becuase he has everything taken care of.
Please no flame meant just wanted to make sure everyone realizes where this has ended up when the real outcome was great.
But its very nice that several of you can comment on torque simply becuase maybe you think you have more, I don't know thats just a guess but the reasons have been explained above why this occurs with bigger turbos (especially on a stock block car with no intake/head porting) and only on pump gas. Race gas will be different but there is nothing wrong with being safe, it is just smart from my point of view and from his tuners I am sure. I know that some of you have gotten the shaft and or had bad experiences and I have read several of your threads, I know it sucks becuase customer service just isn't what it should be especially when spending as much money as several of us have but lets not micro manage Strongbear becuase he has everything taken care of.
Please no flame meant just wanted to make sure everyone realizes where this has ended up when the real outcome was great.
. How can you actually make the statement that "these turbos are not far off in size
Easilly when you go choose from a broad range say a T-25 to a T-88, then they are close and both can make over 400WHP on pump gas, in the grand scheme of things, they are close is all
Also make on average about 350 WHP (16G) pump gas and the other about 420WHP on pump gas so again I stand by my original statement
Originally Posted by umiami80
Easilly when you go choose from a broad range say a T-25 to a T-88, then they are close and both can make over 400WHP on pump gas, in the grand scheme of things, they are close is all
Also make on average about 350 WHP (16G) pump gas and the other about 420WHP on pump gas so again I stand by my original statement
Also make on average about 350 WHP (16G) pump gas and the other about 420WHP on pump gas so again I stand by my original statement
UMMM David Bushur has one, Go argue with him
Mosty I have seen is IN PERSON is a 380 WHP and he trapped at 118MPH and ran an 11.8, pump gas, and an AEM EMS and a lot of mods Many guys with upgraded turbos run that maybe a lil faster on pump
Now stop trying to argue , I dont especially in this thread, but in the grand sceme of turbo sizes they are close especially when limited to pump gas. CAPABLE of 450WHP, I have only SEEN about 420 or less. I would also wana see that turbo run 600WHP as that would be kinda maxed as well but I certainly believe 500WHP. 600 WHP with every mod you can do, immagine what it can make with a 16G and EVERY MOD on Race gas, but people generally dont do that unless they want the record, which I think Dav is trying ot get.
Mosty I have seen is IN PERSON is a 380 WHP and he trapped at 118MPH and ran an 11.8, pump gas, and an AEM EMS and a lot of mods
Many guys with upgraded turbos run that maybe a lil faster on pumpNow stop trying to argue
, I dont especially in this thread, but in the grand sceme of turbo sizes they are close especially when limited to pump gas. CAPABLE of 450WHP, I have only SEEN about 420 or less. I would also wana see that turbo run 600WHP as that would be kinda maxed as well but I certainly believe 500WHP. 600 WHP with every mod you can do, immagine what it can make with a 16G and EVERY MOD on Race gas, but people generally dont do that unless they want the record, which I think Dav is trying ot get.
Last edited by umiami80; Apr 18, 2005 at 06:24 PM.
Originally Posted by ldstang50
315ft/tq. that seems really low. peak hp isn't bad.
but i could be wrong
You sir are a moron and I have no time for you. Please stay out of my thread. PS 380whp on buschurs 2wd dyno is not 400whp on a mustang dyno, not even close.
Originally Posted by umiami80
UMMM David Bushur has one, Go argue with him
Mosy I have seen is a 380 WHP and he trapped at 118MPH and ran an 11.8, pump gas, and an AEM EMS and a lot of mods
No stop trying to argue, in the grand sceme of turbo sizes they are close especially when limited to pump gas. CAPABLE of 450WHP, I have only SEEN about 420 or less. I would also wana see that turbo run 600WHP as that would be kinda maxed as well but I certainly believe 500WHP. 600 WHp with every mod you can do, immagine what it can make with a 16G and EVERY MOD on Race gas.
Mosy I have seen is a 380 WHP and he trapped at 118MPH and ran an 11.8, pump gas, and an AEM EMS and a lot of mods
No stop trying to argue, in the grand sceme of turbo sizes they are close especially when limited to pump gas. CAPABLE of 450WHP, I have only SEEN about 420 or less. I would also wana see that turbo run 600WHP as that would be kinda maxed as well but I certainly believe 500WHP. 600 WHp with every mod you can do, immagine what it can make with a 16G and EVERY MOD on Race gas.
What F^&%^&G facts did you use? You said that a big 16g and a gt3076r are the same. One is at it's outer limits while the other is just starting to breath. So how are they the same? 415whp on race gas with a ton of timing and 12.5 afr's in no way compares to 415whp on 21 psi with modest timing and a perfect 11.4 afr. The stocker is way out of it's efficiency at 370whp+ while the gt3076r is not. Discussion over.
Originally Posted by umiami80
Yup.... rather name call and argue, I mean I only used facts to prove my point, but that's not fair, I mean.... I can use facts to prove anything, right?
Last edited by strongbear0; Apr 18, 2005 at 07:32 PM.
You said that a big 16g and a gt3076r are the same
Nope, YOU said that, just right now made that up to prove your point
. I said in the grand scheme of things, that the stock turbo pump gas and upgraded pump gas numbers are surprisingly close, even more amazing is the 1/4 mile times behing hit by the stock turbo which is a low 11.15. Kinda close ya think 
?400WHP stock turbo pump gas evo, fact I used was DB statement, you can question his dyno though. Discussion suprisingly still here, hope you don't lose sleep?
You mistunderstood my statement and jumped on me but you have been doing it to everyone else so I don't feel bad. Calm down man, life is short.Again, one MORE TIME, in the range of turbos, I stated a range of a T-25 to a T88, they are CLOSE ok? Although I do believe that the 3000GT VR4 has an even SMALLER turbo in its Twin Setup but I do not know the name of it. Damn
Last edited by umiami80; Apr 18, 2005 at 07:50 PM.
Well in the grand scheme of things the evo is just like a chrysler me412 but I sure as hell would take the me412 without thinking twice about it. And I only jumped on people who came in my thread and tryed to belittle my acomplishment with outlandish statements that had no merit. The fact is torques is a little low but not that low and power still has some room for improvement. I would like to know how long the stocker lasts at 380whp my guess would be not that long, as far as the gt3076r goes it is one of the best balanced, compressor wheel and turbine wheel very close in size, turbos made so it will last a long time. You go ahead and think whatever you want. And I bet you think Kurt Brown hit that 11.12 on pump gas right? Get over it man. The stocker is an awesome turbo but it falls on it's face above 5k and mine does not. The stocker spools super fast, but it will not last that long at 370+whp. And don't forget you started all this shyte around post 47 where you attacked my tuner and said the torque was way to low when in all actuality it's really close to where it should be except my torque holds strong to 7k. I hope trying to belittle my accomplishments makes you feel better about yourself.
Originally Posted by umiami80
Nope, YOU said that, just right now made that up to prove your point . I said in the grand scheme of things, that the stock turbo pump gas and upgraded pump gas numbers are surprisingly close, even more amazing is the 1/4 mile times behing hit by the stock turbo which is a low 11.15. Kinda close ya think ?
400WHP stock turbo pump gas evo, fact I used was DB statement, you can question his dyno though. Discussion suprisingly still here, hope you don't lose sleep? You mistunderstood my statement and jumped on me but you have been doing it to everyone else so I don't feel bad. Calm down man, life is short.
Again, one MORE TIME, in the range of turbos, I stated a range of a T-25 to a T88, they are CLOSE ok? Although I do believe that the 3000GT VR4 has an even SMALLER turbo in its Twin Setup but I do not know the name of it. Damn
. I said in the grand scheme of things, that the stock turbo pump gas and upgraded pump gas numbers are surprisingly close, even more amazing is the 1/4 mile times behing hit by the stock turbo which is a low 11.15. Kinda close ya think ?400WHP stock turbo pump gas evo, fact I used was DB statement, you can question his dyno though. Discussion suprisingly still here, hope you don't lose sleep?
You mistunderstood my statement and jumped on me but you have been doing it to everyone else so I don't feel bad. Calm down man, life is short.Again, one MORE TIME, in the range of turbos, I stated a range of a T-25 to a T88, they are CLOSE ok? Although I do believe that the 3000GT VR4 has an even SMALLER turbo in its Twin Setup but I do not know the name of it. Damn
Last edited by strongbear0; Apr 18, 2005 at 08:01 PM.
Originally Posted by strongbear0
I fixed some of the issues I was having and I took the car back over to aerocomp and put it back on the dyno and I was able to get 415whp and 314.5ft lbs on 21-22psi. The car is now the animal that I expected it to be when I started this whole thing. Here is a pic of the dyno sheet and my kit. I also attached the dyno sheet at the bottom so you could get a closer look at it.
The HP @ 50 number is completely wrong
The weight is also wrong.
Also whoever is trying to compare dynos, if you haven't been on a Mustang dyno then you haven't had your car tuned or scaled right.
It is the most accurate roller dyno around.
P.S. You actually should be making a tad bit more power once you make those adjustments to the dyno settings
Originally Posted by Precision Dyno
Very nice numbers, But the dyno parameters are way off.
The HP @ 50 number is completely wrong
The weight is also wrong.
Also whoever is trying to compare dynos, if you haven't been on a Mustang dyno then you haven't had your car tuned or scaled right.
It is the most accurate roller dyno around.
P.S. You actually should be making a tad bit more power once you make those adjustments to the dyno settings
The HP @ 50 number is completely wrong
The weight is also wrong.
Also whoever is trying to compare dynos, if you haven't been on a Mustang dyno then you haven't had your car tuned or scaled right.
It is the most accurate roller dyno around.
P.S. You actually should be making a tad bit more power once you make those adjustments to the dyno settings