View Poll Results: From what I said, which would you choose?
Vishnu Stg1+
55
39.29%
Vishnu Stg1+ (With Buschur Exhaust)
9
6.43%
Buschur Stg 3
16
11.43%
Buschur Stg 4
55
39.29%
I think both will make your car to prone to problems.
5
3.57%
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Vishnu Stg1+ vs Buschur Stg 3/4
Vishnu Stg1+ vs Buschur Stg 3/4
Hey guys, I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death as you'd all say, but I'm not necessarily looking for the better "speed" package.
I am going to be a daily driver with no racing. I want to get either the Vish stg1+ or the Buschur Stg 3/4.
What I would like to know is which would be better for a daily driver? They seem to make around the same power, Maybe stg 4 a little more, but also it will cost a lot more then the stg1+ would. Especially if I take down the price of the Exhaust and get the BR exhaust instead of the Vishnu.
Which one would be easier to drive and which puts less stress on the engine? The Vishnu doesnt have as many mods so I'm assuming it wont stess my engine as hard as the Buschur Stg 4 would. I want to have my car for a long time before I start having to fix it all the time.
If one package will significantly increase the stress more then the other and would make my car more prone to failing parts, PLEASE post it, and vote for the one that is more for convienent for a daily driver, Who is not planning to destroy his engine when he's not even racing.
MONEY COULD BE AN ISSUE! THE BUSCHUR PACKAGES WILL BE MORE SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN SELECTING!
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As just a note to myself cause I'm curious, even tho it will not be the deciding factor on which package(s) to get, which package is known to be faster?
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!
I am going to be a daily driver with no racing. I want to get either the Vish stg1+ or the Buschur Stg 3/4.
What I would like to know is which would be better for a daily driver? They seem to make around the same power, Maybe stg 4 a little more, but also it will cost a lot more then the stg1+ would. Especially if I take down the price of the Exhaust and get the BR exhaust instead of the Vishnu.
Which one would be easier to drive and which puts less stress on the engine? The Vishnu doesnt have as many mods so I'm assuming it wont stess my engine as hard as the Buschur Stg 4 would. I want to have my car for a long time before I start having to fix it all the time.
If one package will significantly increase the stress more then the other and would make my car more prone to failing parts, PLEASE post it, and vote for the one that is more for convienent for a daily driver, Who is not planning to destroy his engine when he's not even racing.
MONEY COULD BE AN ISSUE! THE BUSCHUR PACKAGES WILL BE MORE SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN SELECTING!
__________________________________
As just a note to myself cause I'm curious, even tho it will not be the deciding factor on which package(s) to get, which package is known to be faster?
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by ronitlancer; Apr 19, 2005 at 04:28 PM.
Don't know what's in the Vishnu stage 1 cause I really never gave it a option. I have been happy with my BR stage 4. The more power you do put down the harder it will be on the drive train.
Originally Posted by sccavee
Don't know what's in the Vishnu stage 1 cause I really never gave it a option. I have been happy with my BR stage 4. The more power you do put down the harder it will be on the drive train.
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Originally Posted by ronitlancer
Why wouldnt I need the injectors?
Jarrod
Buschur Racing Inc.
Originally Posted by Jrod@Buschur
The main reason we did the injectors was to get rid of the fuel cut, but that is when we were using the SAFC for the tuning. Our flash has the fuel cut eliminated so the injectors are not needed until you go with a larger turbo. If you have any other questions feel free to ask guys. Take Care
Jarrod
Buschur Racing Inc.
Jarrod
Buschur Racing Inc.
(I've got all of my stage 4 stuff ready to put on except the injectors, and I was trying to find out if they were essential...)I chose BR for my car because lots of DC locals had it back when I decided in 2003. The best way is to seek out people (in real life, not online
) who have these mods and take a ride and ask a lot of questions and actually look at and listen to the mods. One good look in person is worth 1000 poll answers online!
Last edited by SterlingEvo; Apr 20, 2005 at 07:07 AM.
Jarrod is correct, the injectors are not needed, this drops the cost.
We have a lot more parts in our Stage 3-4 kit than Vishnu's, or so you say, I haven't looked.
I want to point a few things out. First, many of the parts used in the Stage 1-4 kits don't have to be added to make good power. Once the initial parts are installed that are in Stage 1 the additional power gained isn't as drastic.
What I am explaining is Stage 1 can add a solid 80 whp to your EVO. Adding Stages 2-4 after than will add another 30-50 whp.
In Stage 1 you get:
Full turbo back exhaust, 3" mandrel bent stainless steel, your choice of offroad pipe or highflow cat and choice of muffler. 37 pounds lighter than stock.
Boost controller
Boost gauge and mount
Air filter kit (6 pounds lighter than stock)
Re-flashed computer (recommended) or the AFC
THE ABOVE PACKAGE IS STAGE 1. EXPECT BETWEEN 290 AND 310 WHP AT 20 PSI ON PUMP GAS. You can also expect as quick as 12.5's with just this package on the car. Cost is $1210 with the current exhaust sale that is running.
Stage 2 includes:
Upper i/c pipe (polished Stainless steel) and BOV
Lightweight battery kit (20 pounds lighter than stock)
MAS pipe (polished stainless steel)
Price on Stage 2 is $750. Power gains are around 10 whp. Cleans up the engine bay substantially and drops some additional weight from the car.
Stage 3 includes:
HKS cams
Standard or Deluxe FMIC kit
Power here is the next large gain. FMIC will add 15 whp and the cams, depending on which ones you choose can add 25-40 whp on their own, with the proper tuning.
Stage 3 is $1200-1300, depending on which FMIC kit you choose.
Stage 4 was done when we were using only the AFC to tune with. It is actuallyl a Stage we need to change but for simplicity in talking with customers we have left it. Changing it now would confuse what old/new customers are referring to and it could easily confuse an order. Anyway, the stock fuel pump has made 370+ whp in my RS, adding the larger pump did NOTHING to the AFR's telling me it wasn't needed. I DO still recommend it as it is CHEAP insurance. The injectors are absolutely NOT needed with the stock turbo and pump gas. Push the car to 30 psi and 8500 rpm and the stock injectors become borderline, otherwise you are very safe with the stock injectors and we do not recommend upgrading them.
This makes a Stage 3 with a fuel pump ideal and the pump only adds $120.
We did the Staged upgrades in order to build upon the last stage added. We have proven in dyno testing that while a certain part doesn't add big power when the overall HP of the car is low, as the HP goes up that same part will make more and more. Take the air filter. On a stock EVO it adds 6 whp. Put the stock airbox back on after Stage 1 is finished and the car will LOSE 10 whp.
You can pick and choose from our upgrade packages, the packages just make things more affordable as they are cheaper in kit form.
Thanks for considering us and reading.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
We have a lot more parts in our Stage 3-4 kit than Vishnu's, or so you say, I haven't looked.
I want to point a few things out. First, many of the parts used in the Stage 1-4 kits don't have to be added to make good power. Once the initial parts are installed that are in Stage 1 the additional power gained isn't as drastic.
What I am explaining is Stage 1 can add a solid 80 whp to your EVO. Adding Stages 2-4 after than will add another 30-50 whp.
In Stage 1 you get:
Full turbo back exhaust, 3" mandrel bent stainless steel, your choice of offroad pipe or highflow cat and choice of muffler. 37 pounds lighter than stock.
Boost controller
Boost gauge and mount
Air filter kit (6 pounds lighter than stock)
Re-flashed computer (recommended) or the AFC
THE ABOVE PACKAGE IS STAGE 1. EXPECT BETWEEN 290 AND 310 WHP AT 20 PSI ON PUMP GAS. You can also expect as quick as 12.5's with just this package on the car. Cost is $1210 with the current exhaust sale that is running.
Stage 2 includes:
Upper i/c pipe (polished Stainless steel) and BOV
Lightweight battery kit (20 pounds lighter than stock)
MAS pipe (polished stainless steel)
Price on Stage 2 is $750. Power gains are around 10 whp. Cleans up the engine bay substantially and drops some additional weight from the car.
Stage 3 includes:
HKS cams
Standard or Deluxe FMIC kit
Power here is the next large gain. FMIC will add 15 whp and the cams, depending on which ones you choose can add 25-40 whp on their own, with the proper tuning.
Stage 3 is $1200-1300, depending on which FMIC kit you choose.
Stage 4 was done when we were using only the AFC to tune with. It is actuallyl a Stage we need to change but for simplicity in talking with customers we have left it. Changing it now would confuse what old/new customers are referring to and it could easily confuse an order. Anyway, the stock fuel pump has made 370+ whp in my RS, adding the larger pump did NOTHING to the AFR's telling me it wasn't needed. I DO still recommend it as it is CHEAP insurance. The injectors are absolutely NOT needed with the stock turbo and pump gas. Push the car to 30 psi and 8500 rpm and the stock injectors become borderline, otherwise you are very safe with the stock injectors and we do not recommend upgrading them.
This makes a Stage 3 with a fuel pump ideal and the pump only adds $120.
We did the Staged upgrades in order to build upon the last stage added. We have proven in dyno testing that while a certain part doesn't add big power when the overall HP of the car is low, as the HP goes up that same part will make more and more. Take the air filter. On a stock EVO it adds 6 whp. Put the stock airbox back on after Stage 1 is finished and the car will LOSE 10 whp.
You can pick and choose from our upgrade packages, the packages just make things more affordable as they are cheaper in kit form.
Thanks for considering us and reading.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Jarrod is correct, the injectors are not needed, this drops the cost.
We have a lot more parts in our Stage 3-4 kit than Vishnu's, or so you say, I haven't looked.
I want to point a few things out. First, many of the parts used in the Stage 1-4 kits don't have to be added to make good power. Once the initial parts are installed that are in Stage 1 the additional power gained isn't as drastic.
What I am explaining is Stage 1 can add a solid 80 whp to your EVO. Adding Stages 2-4 after than will add another 30-50 whp.
In Stage 1 you get:
Full turbo back exhaust, 3" mandrel bent stainless steel, your choice of offroad pipe or highflow cat and choice of muffler. 37 pounds lighter than stock.
Boost controller
Boost gauge and mount
Air filter kit (6 pounds lighter than stock)
Re-flashed computer (recommended) or the AFC
THE ABOVE PACKAGE IS STAGE 1. EXPECT BETWEEN 290 AND 310 WHP AT 20 PSI ON PUMP GAS. You can also expect as quick as 12.5's with just this package on the car. Cost is $1210 with the current exhaust sale that is running.
Stage 2 includes:
Upper i/c pipe (polished Stainless steel) and BOV
Lightweight battery kit (20 pounds lighter than stock)
MAS pipe (polished stainless steel)
Price on Stage 2 is $750. Power gains are around 10 whp. Cleans up the engine bay substantially and drops some additional weight from the car.
Stage 3 includes:
HKS cams
Standard or Deluxe FMIC kit
Power here is the next large gain. FMIC will add 15 whp and the cams, depending on which ones you choose can add 25-40 whp on their own, with the proper tuning.
Stage 3 is $1200-1300, depending on which FMIC kit you choose.
Stage 4 was done when we were using only the AFC to tune with. It is actuallyl a Stage we need to change but for simplicity in talking with customers we have left it. Changing it now would confuse what old/new customers are referring to and it could easily confuse an order. Anyway, the stock fuel pump has made 370+ whp in my RS, adding the larger pump did NOTHING to the AFR's telling me it wasn't needed. I DO still recommend it as it is CHEAP insurance. The injectors are absolutely NOT needed with the stock turbo and pump gas. Push the car to 30 psi and 8500 rpm and the stock injectors become borderline, otherwise you are very safe with the stock injectors and we do not recommend upgrading them.
This makes a Stage 3 with a fuel pump ideal and the pump only adds $120.
We did the Staged upgrades in order to build upon the last stage added. We have proven in dyno testing that while a certain part doesn't add big power when the overall HP of the car is low, as the HP goes up that same part will make more and more. Take the air filter. On a stock EVO it adds 6 whp. Put the stock airbox back on after Stage 1 is finished and the car will LOSE 10 whp.
You can pick and choose from our upgrade packages, the packages just make things more affordable as they are cheaper in kit form.
Thanks for considering us and reading.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
We have a lot more parts in our Stage 3-4 kit than Vishnu's, or so you say, I haven't looked.
I want to point a few things out. First, many of the parts used in the Stage 1-4 kits don't have to be added to make good power. Once the initial parts are installed that are in Stage 1 the additional power gained isn't as drastic.
What I am explaining is Stage 1 can add a solid 80 whp to your EVO. Adding Stages 2-4 after than will add another 30-50 whp.
In Stage 1 you get:
Full turbo back exhaust, 3" mandrel bent stainless steel, your choice of offroad pipe or highflow cat and choice of muffler. 37 pounds lighter than stock.
Boost controller
Boost gauge and mount
Air filter kit (6 pounds lighter than stock)
Re-flashed computer (recommended) or the AFC
THE ABOVE PACKAGE IS STAGE 1. EXPECT BETWEEN 290 AND 310 WHP AT 20 PSI ON PUMP GAS. You can also expect as quick as 12.5's with just this package on the car. Cost is $1210 with the current exhaust sale that is running.
Stage 2 includes:
Upper i/c pipe (polished Stainless steel) and BOV
Lightweight battery kit (20 pounds lighter than stock)
MAS pipe (polished stainless steel)
Price on Stage 2 is $750. Power gains are around 10 whp. Cleans up the engine bay substantially and drops some additional weight from the car.
Stage 3 includes:
HKS cams
Standard or Deluxe FMIC kit
Power here is the next large gain. FMIC will add 15 whp and the cams, depending on which ones you choose can add 25-40 whp on their own, with the proper tuning.
Stage 3 is $1200-1300, depending on which FMIC kit you choose.
Stage 4 was done when we were using only the AFC to tune with. It is actuallyl a Stage we need to change but for simplicity in talking with customers we have left it. Changing it now would confuse what old/new customers are referring to and it could easily confuse an order. Anyway, the stock fuel pump has made 370+ whp in my RS, adding the larger pump did NOTHING to the AFR's telling me it wasn't needed. I DO still recommend it as it is CHEAP insurance. The injectors are absolutely NOT needed with the stock turbo and pump gas. Push the car to 30 psi and 8500 rpm and the stock injectors become borderline, otherwise you are very safe with the stock injectors and we do not recommend upgrading them.
This makes a Stage 3 with a fuel pump ideal and the pump only adds $120.
We did the Staged upgrades in order to build upon the last stage added. We have proven in dyno testing that while a certain part doesn't add big power when the overall HP of the car is low, as the HP goes up that same part will make more and more. Take the air filter. On a stock EVO it adds 6 whp. Put the stock airbox back on after Stage 1 is finished and the car will LOSE 10 whp.
You can pick and choose from our upgrade packages, the packages just make things more affordable as they are cheaper in kit form.
Thanks for considering us and reading.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
i love my vishnu stage 1+. hard to beat for the money in terms of drivability and reliability. The best part about it is how simplistic it is. cams, cam gears, exhaust, flash and fuel pump. very few mods but lots of power and perfect for the torture of road racing. Good drivers can hit 12 flat to 11.9s on race gas at the strip. Im sure the buschur 4 kit probably makes a bit more power, but i like a little extra margin of saftey especially at the track.
Last edited by Vishnu_Evo8; Apr 20, 2005 at 01:56 PM.