View Poll Results: From what I said, which would you choose?
Vishnu Stg1+
55
39.29%
Vishnu Stg1+ (With Buschur Exhaust)
9
6.43%
Buschur Stg 3
16
11.43%
Buschur Stg 4
55
39.29%
I think both will make your car to prone to problems.
5
3.57%
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Vishnu Stg1+ vs Buschur Stg 3/4
Originally Posted by evo81
i thought i gave him some good info to buy br stage 3.5 
wheres my head at? 
wheres my head at? Btw I am a guy, I was just trying to get your attention so you'd reply
Originally Posted by Volunteer
We have 3 stage 1+ cars in my area, all daily drivers making good power. I've seen Shiv tune conservatively for a good all around tune, instead of just for numbers. I like that, so rookies like me don't blow the **** up. As far as customer service the Vishnu guys have always been great to anwser questions and help out when they can, and I'm no where close to Cali. Luckily for us Shiv does fly around spreading his wealth for us folks not close to the shop, and is a down to earth guy I enjoyed talking with. 
Thanks for the info man.
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Originally Posted by beavis4g63t
What is more risky In ur opinion; Alky injection or camgears? What will likely have a higher chance of mechanical failure? IE was just pointing out that Cam gears are safer than a product that Buschur endorses and he is right. That would be like me smoking two packs of Cigerettes a day and saying no thanks to pork because it is not healthy. Lookin at difference between consistency and contradiction.
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Originally Posted by ronitlancer
Shiv, are there any changes you could recommend differently from your standard Stg1+ with Sig parts? Maybe if you have any other parts you could throw in some other ideas to add or subtract from the Stg1+ to give me some good driveable power. If you could add more power without taking away any smooth and driveable power then let me know.
Not to mention the soon-to-be-released road dyno software and few other nifty tuning aids (all built in to the XEDE software) for those who either want to tinker themselves or want to make sure that we did our job right with the baseline mapping.Hope that helps,
Shiv
Last edited by shiv@vishnu; Apr 20, 2005 at 10:42 PM.
Originally Posted by evo81
next time bring your candy *** here to race.
we can't beat IE's 500whp evo yet,but i'm sure we can beat your 3xx whp evo 
You don't want me to come down there w/ IE. 
If I had to choose over again... Buschur all the way.
BTW - Why are people making it an issue that alcy injection is more risky than Vishnu's staged cam gears.
Call me crazy but I dont think Buschur's alcy injection is in his stages 1-4? Am I right? Cam gears are definitely in Vishnu's stage 1+ so why are people even bringing it up.
Buschur thinks cam gears suck, Vishnu doesnt, its a matter of opinion, no defenders should jump and say "Oh well Buschur's alcohol injection isnt safe!"
I mean, comeon guys!
BTW - Why are people making it an issue that alcy injection is more risky than Vishnu's staged cam gears.
Call me crazy but I dont think Buschur's alcy injection is in his stages 1-4? Am I right? Cam gears are definitely in Vishnu's stage 1+ so why are people even bringing it up.
Buschur thinks cam gears suck, Vishnu doesnt, its a matter of opinion, no defenders should jump and say "Oh well Buschur's alcohol injection isnt safe!"
I mean, comeon guys!
Last edited by Soon2BEVO; Apr 21, 2005 at 07:58 AM.
Originally Posted by ronitlancer
Hey guys, I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death as you'd all say, but I'm not necessarily looking for the better "speed" package.
I am going to be a daily driver with no racing. I want to get either the Vish stg1+ or the Buschur Stg 3/4.
What I would like to know is which would be better for a daily driver? They seem to make around the same power, Maybe stg 4 a little more, but also it will cost a lot more then the stg1+ would. Especially if I take down the price of the Exhaust and get the BR exhaust instead of the Vishnu.
Which one would be easier to drive and which puts less stress on the engine? The Vishnu doesnt have as many mods so I'm assuming it wont stess my engine as hard as the Buschur Stg 4 would. I want to have my car for a long time before I start having to fix it all the time.
If one package will significantly increase the stress more then the other and would make my car more prone to failing parts, PLEASE post it, and vote for the one that is more for convienent for a daily driver, Who is not planning to destroy his engine when he's not even racing.
MONEY COULD BE AN ISSUE! THE BUSCHUR PACKAGES WILL BE MORE SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN SELECTING!
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As just a note to myself cause I'm curious, even tho it will not be the deciding factor on which package(s) to get, which package is known to be faster?
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!
I am going to be a daily driver with no racing. I want to get either the Vish stg1+ or the Buschur Stg 3/4.
What I would like to know is which would be better for a daily driver? They seem to make around the same power, Maybe stg 4 a little more, but also it will cost a lot more then the stg1+ would. Especially if I take down the price of the Exhaust and get the BR exhaust instead of the Vishnu.
Which one would be easier to drive and which puts less stress on the engine? The Vishnu doesnt have as many mods so I'm assuming it wont stess my engine as hard as the Buschur Stg 4 would. I want to have my car for a long time before I start having to fix it all the time.
If one package will significantly increase the stress more then the other and would make my car more prone to failing parts, PLEASE post it, and vote for the one that is more for convienent for a daily driver, Who is not planning to destroy his engine when he's not even racing.
MONEY COULD BE AN ISSUE! THE BUSCHUR PACKAGES WILL BE MORE SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN SELECTING!
__________________________________
As just a note to myself cause I'm curious, even tho it will not be the deciding factor on which package(s) to get, which package is known to be faster?
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!
I will keep it short and direct. Booth uses the same main parts except tuning. Just look at it from above. Booth like HKS cams and swear by them and both use 3 " exhaust. If I were you I would source everything out. I mean there is nothing so special about stage 4 or stage 1+ that you can’t do or figure out yourself. Cams, full cat back exhaust, maybe camgears and of course tuning. Now I know and I heard that stage 4 from BR comes with FMIC and IC pipes and so on. I can tell you that our stock IC will do just fine on stock turbo and our stock pipes are perfect (you might just need some samco hoses). Don’t change parts when its not necessary!!! The less part you add to your car the less issues you are going to face the more reliable it will be (fact). I would just get cams, full TBE and some tuning device whether you want flash which is more than enough or piggy back.
You will save your self some money and learn more about your car since you are getting more involved.
Good luck
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Originally Posted by ronitlancer
David, where could you recommend me to service my car if your so far away? I know if I go with Vishnu I can go to Dyno4mance. I'm in Tampa Florida. If you have a place your in good comm with around the FL/GA area. Let me know this could lead me in another direction for sure.
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Originally Posted by Az3ar
I will keep it short and direct. Booth uses the same main parts except tuning. Just look at it from above. Booth like HKS cams and swear by them and both use 3 " exhaust. If I were you I would source everything out. I mean there is nothing so special about stage 4 or stage 1+ that you can’t do or figure out yourself. Cams, full cat back exhaust, maybe camgears and of course tuning. Now I know and I heard that stage 4 from BR comes with FMIC and IC pipes and so on. I can tell you that our stock IC will do just fine on stock turbo and our stock pipes are perfect (you might just need some samco hoses). Don’t change parts when its not necessary!!! The less part you add to your car the less issues you are going to face the more reliable it will be (fact). I would just get cams, full TBE and some tuning device whether you want flash which is more than enough or piggy back.
You will save your self some money and learn more about your car since you are getting more involved.
Good luck
You will save your self some money and learn more about your car since you are getting more involved.
Good luck
When you choose an exhaust, I think looks and sound should be as important to you as brand name. If Brand X makes 3 less HP, but sounds better, that will be much more important on a day to day basis. Like Mhyar said, the parts are very interchangeable, but the tuning is key.