ssautochrome intercooler
Originally Posted by OZLancerlunitic
what irks me still is
1. The fact that I dont even own an evo yet am very interested in this thread.
2. This thread is still open for discussion.
3. No one has done an apples to apples test of both IC's in a wind tunnel type atmosphere. The windtunnel I use daily at work is not big enough otherwise I would volunteer to do it. Im not talking drive with 1, swap them then go for a drive again. I would like to see exact same test conditions, a known ambient temperature, etc.
4. Anything said about either product is merely speculation until proven with test data. A dyno does not cut it in this case.
1. The fact that I dont even own an evo yet am very interested in this thread.
2. This thread is still open for discussion.
3. No one has done an apples to apples test of both IC's in a wind tunnel type atmosphere. The windtunnel I use daily at work is not big enough otherwise I would volunteer to do it. Im not talking drive with 1, swap them then go for a drive again. I would like to see exact same test conditions, a known ambient temperature, etc.
4. Anything said about either product is merely speculation until proven with test data. A dyno does not cut it in this case.
ssautochrome is one of the worst companies to ever exist. I have experience with them. they bought one of each of every tial wastegate and then proceeded to copy each one. Tial ended up sueing them over it. They sell tons of turbo kits for hondas online. anyone who questions ssautochrome need to simply go to honda-tech.com and seach ssautochrome. Horror stories will fill up pages. Theres a guy on there who got a turbo which had the compressor housing glued on. Their manifold are welded by 8 year olds in 3rd world countries and they work for 5 cents an hour. the materials they use are the scrap metal melted down and then made into bends.
anyone who thinks people who sell manifolds for 700-1200 just to make 600-1100 profit is retarted. look up what quality 321 stainless bends cost, look up what collectors cost, look up what a stainless header flange costs. like ams said, the materials alone are more then that to make a decent header
FUNNY YOU DONT SEE PEOPLE LIKE TURBOTRIX, AMS, DYNOFLASH, TITAN MOTORSPORTS, GARY GARDELLA, STEPHEN PAPDAKIS, LISA KUBO, ETC... RUNNING MANIOLDS FROM SSAUTOCHROME.
quotes from honda tech
An SSAC PowerMountain Ebay special fake t70 will spool around 4500 if the compressor cover doesnt fall off first.
i just purchased this manifold last night for my z6 turbo project (along with a 14b turbo). i just want to know if this is the dreaded ssautochrome manifold or not. dosnt really matter if it is or not, still gonna run it, just gonna weld in some braces, and upgrade later.
I hope a meteor falls on the factory that makes SSAutoChrome and most of the other knock off turbos and mani's. They are scammers and I can't believe they are still allowed to operate.
After seeing how many SSAC manifolds cracked because of ****ty welding and material, I wouldn't trust the intercooler's welds or construction in any way
oh yea, i forgot, tial 35mm is discountinued, but you can pick up a used one from time to time, kind of rare to pick up a brand new one, unless its a ssac crap
NEVER hang the entire weight of the turbo+waste gate+down pipe on a SSautochrome manifold. It will not last long.
DO NOT BUY SSAUTOCHROME.. do a search and youll understand why.. manifold cracking, the turbo held by superglue..
SSAC has a reputation and you should know by all the posts here on H-T to stay away.. far far away from that ****
[If you're referring to the SSAC turbos on eBay, then quality is iffy. My most recent experience was a customer who got one for his TL. He figured he'd only use it for a few thousand miles and it was cheap. After installing it, he only got a couple of hundred miles before the turbine wheel shattered. Looking at it, we can't tell if it's a flaw with the wheel itself or if something got sucked in there
I love how nobody includes the name "SSAutochrome" in their descriptions... it's not like we can't tell what kind of manifold that is
I'm looking to buy a B series Turbo manifold for my T3 setup. I don't want any of that SSautochrome crap or XSPower crap please. Only the good stuff. I'm also looking for a downpipe for 5bolt exhaust housing.
Originally Posted by NOLIMITMOTORS
Dude, Look at their turbo manifold. go to honda-tech.com and search SSautochrome. you can find hundreds of people who had problems with their products
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haha nice quote.. fact about this is I garuntee the quality on this product is not backed in the long run. AMS designed the piece. Copying it is stealing, however there will be more people tempted to buy this unit if an adjustment to the ams product is not made. I realize that the profit margins are already slim but from my perspective, knock $50 off the price of your intercooler and i wouldnt even consider buying a knock off for half the price. With such a huge price difference though, there may be some intrested parties.
Originally Posted by AMS
Just for the record I never said anything about 'chinese slave labor' I just said that their selling price is less than is costs me to make it. I'm pissed that this is going on but I'm not going to dwell on it, I can't afford to.
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-Martin
First - The SS unit is NOT a copy or the same as yours. The SS unit has no mounting brackets that fit an evo and you have to custom fabricate mounting brackets. The SS unit uses cast end tanks and a cast lower fmic plate. The basic shape is similar but the fmic is NOT a direct copy.
Second - your fmic has consisitantly proven itself to be one of the best performing on a 2.0 L evo motor as demonstrated with my time slips and dyno sheets I have obtained using your kit.
I dyno tested a Greddy equiped car with a SS fmic yesterday which actually LOST who over a stock fmic. The SS fmic is actually worse than the stock one.
I would clasify the SS product as a cosmetic show off item for jerks who want the maximum bling for the least possible cost without regard for power or performance.
Those in the know who understand quality and results will always seek out the better products - even if they cost more.
Martin, I would not waste your time posting about these chinese crap products - the word will get out about how crappy these products are.
Originally Posted by RnR Racing
This thread is really bugging me. It is almost disbelief they did this to AMS because I know we are right around the corner it will probably happen to us in the near future. I have been thinking about this all day long. Copy cat companies are really look down upon in this industry. They kill the market and economy we are trying to build. I will post more thougths later, but I really wish we could stop this kind of stuff.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Martin - a few points I would like to raise in this context after examining and testing the SS fmic which looks like yours
First - The SS unit is NOT a copy or the same as yours. The SS unit has no mounting brackets that fit an evo and you have to custom fabricate mounting brackets. The SS unit uses cast end tanks and a cast lower fmic plate. The basic shape is similar but the fmic is NOT a direct copy.
First - The SS unit is NOT a copy or the same as yours. The SS unit has no mounting brackets that fit an evo and you have to custom fabricate mounting brackets. The SS unit uses cast end tanks and a cast lower fmic plate. The basic shape is similar but the fmic is NOT a direct copy.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I dyno tested a Greddy equiped car with a SS fmic yesterday which actually LOST who over a stock fmic. The SS fmic is actually worse than the stock one.
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Originally Posted by andrew20195
I'm kinda surprised nobody responded to this. The thing is, you get what you pay for, and believe it or not, the pressure drop is the single most important factor of intercooling, even more important than the actual charge cooling. At high manifold pressure, a lower pressure loss through the intercooler = lower compressor pressure ratio = more efficient compression = cooler charge temps. So, if you have a large pressure drop in the IC, it may actually be an "interheater" because the air-to-air cooling can't keep up with the charge temperature rise from the less efficient compression. 1-2 psi is a HUGE difference.
last one
The one major thing wrong with the "exterior" of the core:
The top mount does not line up with the factory mount, it is about 1/2 to 3/4 inch off line. Some fabricating had to be done on my buddies '04. The core has two solid bottom mounts that atach to the frame however. Great looking product. PM me for full pics.
The one major thing wrong with the "exterior" of the core:
The top mount does not line up with the factory mount, it is about 1/2 to 3/4 inch off line. Some fabricating had to be done on my buddies '04. The core has two solid bottom mounts that atach to the frame however. Great looking product. PM me for full pics.
