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Originally Posted by cmbjive
Tariffs that already exist are not affected by the laws set by the WTO, but trying to implement new tariffs can result in stiff penalties for the countries that are implementing them.
so it doesn't matter what the WTO is going to do or whatever repercussions other countries will imploy. that's irrelevant. these tariffs already exist.
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Originally Posted by nebolic
yes, but you were inferring to asking to add more tariff to protect. it is not as simple as that. If you tell the car industry to ask the president to impose a new tax on foreign cars, that will not fare very well with the rest of the world.
There are tariffs in place already that was existing before . . .
nebo
There are tariffs in place already that was existing before . . .
nebo
Originally Posted by scherejs
i respect your position on this, but cannot totally agree with you. truly both our positions are based somewhat on theory since there is no blueprint that can be studied. what we have to go on history like you said and current trends, but you know as well as i do that our world and economy is always changing so nobody has hard evidence on either side of the fence to correctly predict. i based a portion of my information on living in china studying trade. i was merely a scholar along side some economist and saw how this effects those people. from the viewpoint of those workers is where i got the phrase "race to the bottom." now i can study econ 101 books to all international business books, but my position was solidified by those accounts from the actual workers and economist that i saw express their concerns on unlimited trade.
anyhow... so how did you like China when you were there?
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Originally Posted by scherejs
you might not say it but i will. $.12 hour and no benefits is slave labor. i study global economics and international trade and have seen the adverse effects it has not only on asia but other countries as well. like i said in my previous post "it's a race to the bottom." right now the winner in that race is china, but when another country comes along to produces those same products at a lower cost then they jump ahead. in turn china would have to strip its laborers of more wages to compete with them. it's horrible for the well-being of those countries, like china, as well as the countries that import those goods.
free trade can be good as long as it's not abused. and right now it's being abused, especially since president clinton signed the bill back in the early 90's.
free trade can be good as long as it's not abused. and right now it's being abused, especially since president clinton signed the bill back in the early 90's.
What you are witnessing is classic economics. Developing countries offer nothing but cheap labor in the early stages. This cheap lobor is usually associated with an agrarian economy. As the economy developes, there is a shift to manufactoring. Your are correct in asserting that cheap Chinese labor will be replaced some day. For China to continue it's growth, it must develope another comparitive advantage and that will be their strugle. But, remember that Japan was in this same position not that long ago.
As far as the trade imbalance, remember those dollars return to the US wether spent on goods and services or investment goods. We all feel the benefit in our pocket book either way.
BTW, I gaurantee you that I can get an IC produced in China that is equal to or better than anything produced in the US for half the cost. The Chinese manufactoring capabilities are equal to anyone else in the world with a simple product like an IC.
Finally, the problem is not that SS produced a cheaper, lower quality intercooler. The problem is that AMS believes they stole their intellectual property. If that is indeed the case, hopefully AMS will be able to do something about it.
I guess the only thing we can do is to boycot knock off parts and pay up for the real genuine stuff. I my self would pay the extra money to get the name brand anything just because i would know I have cheap parts on my 35k hot rod. No one who can afford and Evo should put cheap parts on thier car. Thats what buying Honda civics is for!
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And for the price, it is hard to imagine that these are not made in the far east somewhere. As mentioned earlier, it is hard to find a core for what these sale for.
Originally Posted by jamevo8
I guess the only thing we can do is to boycot knock off parts and pay up for the real genuine stuff. I my self would pay the extra money to get the name brand anything just because i would know I have cheap parts on my 35k hot rod. No one who can afford and Evo should put cheap parts on thier car. Thats what buying Honda civics is for!
35k hot rod... get real.... it's just a car, and if you think all name brands are good, you're obviously a sucker, and we can't have suckers on evom, now do we?
Originally Posted by SOUTHSIDEITALIA
Regarding the warning from AMS about ssautochrome copying their intercooler. My friend just bought one, and we seriusly thinking about testing the pressure drop across the core. Any suggestings on the the easiest way to accomplish this. It may not have the Spearco dore, but really, who cares, if the pressure drop is as they claim.
Ive seen nothing but positive things from AMS, good results and good conduct. I cannot say the same, with the exception of *maybe* conduct in regard to SSAutochrome. As far as the header for our cars go, isn't it one of the most problematic ever concieved, as well as the unit for the DSMs?
Originally Posted by jamevo8
I guess the only thing we can do is to boycot knock off parts and pay up for the real genuine stuff. I my self would pay the extra money to get the name brand anything just because i would know I have cheap parts on my 35k hot rod. No one who can afford and Evo should put cheap parts on thier car. Thats what buying Honda civics is for!
Its my opinion that SSA is getting too much free marketing off this post. Not only that, but this thread has derailed beyond repair and does not resemble the original topic at all. AMS, as a paying vendor on this site, why not send a PM to a mod and have this thread deleted? Its damaging, off topic, and promoting a vendor who hasn't paid to advertise on here as you guys have.
On the topic of the AMS intercooler and lower IC pipe, mine have given me flawless service for nearly a year.
On the topic of my SSautochrome manifold, you get what you pay for. I had to modify mine to even mount it to the turbocharger, as one of the nuts wouldn't mount on a stud from the turbo because one of the manifold tubes was totally in the way. Now, less than a year later, I have a pinhole leak in the header and its visibly starting to rust in several areas.
So now I have a $200 outlay that didn't make any power on the dyno, nor did it fit well, and it going to fail soon.
Moreover, SSautochrome has no phone staff, and you can only contact them through email. You do get what you pay for, people. Look at the companies on here that are paying to be here and support them! Lots of them are involved in Evo motorsports, and are trying to develop new products to improve the aftermarket. They are the ones that deserve our money IMO.
One last thing. I hope and pray that EvoM's members don't become like a bunch of broke DSM crybabies that fuss when they have to pay more than $35 for fuel management or 75 cents for a boost controller. Somebody said that if you can afford to pay $30,000 for a car, you can afford not to be a total cheap **** on parts. Lots of those cheap parts suck and don't make any power anyway.
On the topic of the AMS intercooler and lower IC pipe, mine have given me flawless service for nearly a year.
On the topic of my SSautochrome manifold, you get what you pay for. I had to modify mine to even mount it to the turbocharger, as one of the nuts wouldn't mount on a stud from the turbo because one of the manifold tubes was totally in the way. Now, less than a year later, I have a pinhole leak in the header and its visibly starting to rust in several areas.
So now I have a $200 outlay that didn't make any power on the dyno, nor did it fit well, and it going to fail soon.
Moreover, SSautochrome has no phone staff, and you can only contact them through email. You do get what you pay for, people. Look at the companies on here that are paying to be here and support them! Lots of them are involved in Evo motorsports, and are trying to develop new products to improve the aftermarket. They are the ones that deserve our money IMO.
One last thing. I hope and pray that EvoM's members don't become like a bunch of broke DSM crybabies that fuss when they have to pay more than $35 for fuel management or 75 cents for a boost controller. Somebody said that if you can afford to pay $30,000 for a car, you can afford not to be a total cheap **** on parts. Lots of those cheap parts suck and don't make any power anyway.
Originally Posted by nebolic
okay i'm not going to argue the quality of the product. But for those people that are sh!tting on the chinese that they have slave labor blah blah blah, you guys need to fu(k off. I'm chinese and I'm taking a big offense to that. First of all, for all you so righteous people who thinks that products made in China are through slave labor, please look at every product that you own, clothes, electronics etc . . . its made in China or Taiwan. So if it's made in China what the fu(k is the problem. If you have such a problem with Chinese made product then throw out everything that you own.
And yes, Patents are binding in the United States to protect Intellectual property. Why do you think Drug Companies apply for patents, you cannot have more R&D cost then a drug company . . . they're protecting their interest via patents.
It's not that hard, if these SSauto people are registered to do business in the U.S and they're selling knock offs, its not that hard for an attorney to do something about it.
And yes we live in a capitalistic country, the United States rewards individuals via monetary compensation if they put effort into it. If you have a good product, people will buy it. But at the same time, its a free market, if there is a comparable 'good' for cheaper, please expect consumers to at least take a peek at that direction.
So basically what you guys are saying is that low prices are bad??? Why don't you take a look at the market for microwaves and TV's, hmm reverse engineering by the Asian's, wooo so all that fancy big screens you're watching, throw that **** away then since you're so concerned about knock offs.
my 2 cents.
And if the mods decides to delete my post, please delete or edit all post that puts down the chinese.
thanks
nebo
And yes, Patents are binding in the United States to protect Intellectual property. Why do you think Drug Companies apply for patents, you cannot have more R&D cost then a drug company . . . they're protecting their interest via patents.
It's not that hard, if these SSauto people are registered to do business in the U.S and they're selling knock offs, its not that hard for an attorney to do something about it.
And yes we live in a capitalistic country, the United States rewards individuals via monetary compensation if they put effort into it. If you have a good product, people will buy it. But at the same time, its a free market, if there is a comparable 'good' for cheaper, please expect consumers to at least take a peek at that direction.
So basically what you guys are saying is that low prices are bad??? Why don't you take a look at the market for microwaves and TV's, hmm reverse engineering by the Asian's, wooo so all that fancy big screens you're watching, throw that **** away then since you're so concerned about knock offs.
my 2 cents.
And if the mods decides to delete my post, please delete or edit all post that puts down the chinese.
thanks
nebo
infact the living standard there is probaly alot better than some ignorant folks think.... people making over $20,000 a month isnt unsual at all.. thats about $2500 in american dollar and i know not all people in US make this much a month neither..
not to get off topic
it is very true you get and what paid for... but if SSchrome can manufacture the same part for half or less of the price....cause saving $400 is alot to most people... no one knows the quality and the performance comparing to AMS without proof.. in my opinion..both product should be tested to see if its worth it or not... all in all... numbers don't lie
Originally Posted by J8dailo
it is very true you get and what paid for... but if SSchrome can manufacture the same part for half or less of the price....cause saving $400 is alot to most people... no one knows the quality and the performance comparing to AMS without proof.. in my opinion..both product should be tested to see if its worth it or not... all in all... numbers don't lie
