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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by astondg
I really hate to bring down the level of the conversation here but I have a question about this and you guys seem like the people to ask. Please keep in mind that I have a general understanding about this and an interest in engines and physics (but only studied physics until I finished high school) but that is about all. I would probably need a week or two to read and understand all the information you've shown so far and a bit of extra research too.

So the question: You are talking about removing the balance shafts to rev higher than stock, I think I saw a mention of about 7500rpm in there somewhere, but what about a lot of the Japanese MIVEC, VTEC, VVT, etc. engines that rev to about 8200 to 8500rpm standard or the S2000 engine that goes to 9000rpm? Do these engines still have balance shafts? What about engines like the 1980's BMW M3 (E30) that were sometimes reved to 10,000rpm in race form, or were the balance shafts removed for racing?

Sorry again. If you would like me to take this discussion somewhere else please let me know, or if this has been answered and I missed it I am also sorry.

I have been a bit busy studying at University for the last 3 years to hav time to research other things but now that I have finished I would definately like to look into stuff like this, I think I probably should have taken a physic/science/engineering type degree instead of I.T.

Aston

Road car I4s often have balancer shafts unless they are designed for hardcore sports use. Any race I4 that is dedicated to winning will have them removed. The driver and car can tolerate the vibrations esp in limited duration applications and short service intervals. Lightweight components help.
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperHatch
P.S. - Can either of you recommend a good college level textbook, or some technical literature regarding engine design? I've read many "Barnes & Noble" type books on engine design, but they only tell you what they think is good as far as geometries and never get into the math behind it.
The two volumes of "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice" by Charles Fayette Taylor are real good. Volume 2 has a good section on engine configuration and shake forces. It doesn't say much on rod ratio though.
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 03:27 PM
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Ugh. Time for me to eat humble pie; at 3400 RPM the second order vibrations will be at 113Hz, nowhere near the knock range. RPM is revolutions per *minute* and Hz is cycles per *second*.

Somebody please smack me upside the head, hard.

No problems with knock and balance shafts.
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 03:37 PM
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haha! don't beat yourself up.. no one else caught it either. Common mistake. Others including me, have made worse (simpler) mistakes. This just happened on another forum too discussing exhaust pulse frequency on V12s. In this knock sensor case perhaps because the mind jumped to quickly to considering the plausibility of reasons for knock sensing not picking it up.

At least now we have one less issue to worry about lol.
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