true, it does weigh about double what the stocker does but a larger, more dense, more efficent core is going to be heavier. Plus its a bar and plate design which in general are heavier then a tube & fin design such as the stock IC.

The extra 7lbs I added to the front of my car is nothing compared to the conservative 20-30 HP i picked up by bolting this on.

 

Chris... you have STILL only talked about what you've "seen" and supplied no evidence whatsoever to support your (or your co-workers claime). Its hard for me to take your comments on faith when you are probably competing with XSPower. So simply saying "I've seen some honda's perform horribly" just wont cut it.

I dont want EvoM to be blinded by comments from vendors who supply very little facts while bashing someone else's product. Whether a legitimate product or not the XSPower intercooler is available to this community and I would like to see you provide a factual argument before smashing on XSPowers products.

Its truly because I WANT TO KNOW! At this point I have seen more posititive tetamonials from people using this intercooler. I'm still not convinced one way or the other though...

 

I have a XS Power intercooler and felt great gains...it is a top notch intercooler with great quality. I could not tell a dif. from it and the AMS and I had them side by side.....makes me wonder.

 

I didnt post up the original post, only thing i said was ive seen it on a few local hondas and it didnt work out good. i also said i didnt like it and wouldnt use it on my own car. I am not trying to compete with XSpower, no one is stopping people from buying them or am I. if you want to buy the intercooler thats fine im not stopping you from doing it.

 

Totally felt gains on my buttdyno. Just like when I put a turbonator on my ranger.

 

I would just like to note that all my gains were realized with tuning and more boost.

if you put an intercooler, or any part for that matter, that flows better or is more efficent your boost should DROP, not increase. You need to raise the boost back up (and tune in some cases) in order to realize the gains.

 

I think it would drop if using a manual boost control, but if on stock solenoid it may be different as the stock ecu can compensate for changes it sees.

 

duh man, i realize you're not physically puting a block on anyone here purchasing this intercooler but you are posting (imo) garbage posts that degrade another product without proof!

I dont care if you bash XSPower until they're out of business, as long as you are also aiding this community by showing us why they're product sucks. I'm not trying to be the police here, I just sorta feel we should all get our facts straight before we buy (or dont buy) anything.

 

Maybe you should go back to my post where i said i didnt post the first post bashing it my co worker did.

 

maybe you should then forward my post to your "co-worker" while also advising him to promote a better image for the both of you. Bright idea huh?

 

you are right, I was only thinking with a mechanical boost controller. Any kind of EBC would or should be able to compensate for the changes. Good call.

 

It would be great for all of the major FMIC companys to post where they buy their cores at? I think we all would have a surprise then and by more XS power intercoolers

 

I can't believe this controversy is still going on. When are we going to get some real data logs and dyno sheets on these things? That data log a couple pages back didn't show anything conclusive at all. The timing changed slightly (some points better, some worse), and IAT comes from the MAF, so that really doesn't tell us anything at all.

I think we need some knock counts, IAT at IM, a/f, and boost readings at the very least. Plus these comparisons should be made on the same day, not weeks apart.

It's looking like a cheap alternative just like the ebay o2, but until someone is willing to do real back to back comparissons just like DB did with the o2 then I don't think we'll really know anything at all.

 

Here ya go, SS autocrome intercooler laying down the wood http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1...2b01007df6.htm

 

I spoke with a highly reputable local shop that said several big name racers have been using these exact FMIC's to set some good times in the 1/4 mi w/ hp in the 550-600 range. He further stated that they compared them to the $600-700 priced ones and noticed very little difference.
You DON'T always get what you paid for just because you paid too much!

keep us posted.