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Old Feb 4, 2002 | 05:14 PM
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First of all knob is spelled like this.
What Ralliart are you talking about?? Ralliart UK? They have not had ANYTHING to do with the design of the car. The Rallyteam in the UK will have, but they are not the same company. Ralliart Japan, yes, but are you talking to them??

Then: What boost is the RC Developments demo car running? I actually know that, but is it more than 1.3?? Yes, more like over 1.6 at which time I would recommend the bolts, probably even new pistons. Do they fit the bolts for cars that run over 1.3 bar as you as the new tuning guru in the Evo world have written?

The car has the engineering tolerances that you are talking about, but obviously you're not aware of that (could that be because you don't even have an Evo, I don't know...).

You don't know about the DSM scene.... no more info needed, with that you just made yourself a "muppet."

But I'm nice and do like to educate the ones with lesser knowledge, so go and have a look at www.dsm.org, that should enlighten you a little bit.

I can just quote Animal Mother from Full Metal Jacket:

"You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk?" That's what I'm really interested in Mr. Honda.

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Old Feb 4, 2002 | 07:32 PM
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Actually, I don't suppose we should turn it down a notch, Jaffa? Anyway, I'm right
Old Feb 4, 2002 | 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by Michaelk
First of all knob is spelled like this.
Congratulations, you can spell your name.
Originally posted by Michaelk
What Ralliart are you talking about?? Ralliart UK? They have not had ANYTHING to do with the design of the car. The Rallyteam in the UK will have, but they are not the same company. Ralliart Japan, yes, but are you talking to them??
I'm talking about all of Ralliart.

Originally posted by Michaelk

Then: What boost is the RC Developments demo car running? I actually know that, but is it more than 1.3?? Yes, more like over 1.6 at which time I would recommend the bolts, probably even new pistons. Do they fit the bolts for cars that run over 1.3 bar as you as the new tuning guru in the Evo world have written?
They recommend it for 1.4bar if the car is to be raced or used hard (see website). I.e. unless you're a Sunday driver you need them. Granted, the car in the magazine was running 1.6bar (but no more) and whatsmore they hadn't replaced the pistons (but had additional oil coolers). They seem to be at odds with the rest of the tuning world on that one.
Originally posted by Michaelk

The car has the engineering tolerances that you are talking about, but obviously you're not aware of that (could that be because you don't even have an Evo, I don't know...).
I do have an Evo, just no digital camera you poser. How come you only hold 1.2bar then?
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You don't know about the DSM scene.... no more info needed, with that you just made yourself a "muppet."
Diamond Star Motors - big deal. Hardly qualifies me as a muppet. A muppet is someone who holds 1.6bar to the limiter on stock pistons and conrods.
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But I'm nice and do like to educate the ones with lesser knowledge
Stop wasting your time talking crap to me then.
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I can just quote Animal Mother from Full Metal Jacket:

"You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk?" That's what I'm really interested in Mr. Honda.
I had a Honda, so what, I still laced a 'vette with it "pilgrim". "Is that you John Wayne. I don't know, is this me."

If I can now adapt a passage from the same film.....

"Jesus H. Christ Private Pile", if I catch you running 1.6bar on stock internals "again, I'll gorge out your eyeballs and skull**** you."

Anyway, I'm prepared to agree to disagree. That means we just stop arguing without anyone being proved right or wrong. Besides, we're letting our countries down, usually Brits and Germans get on so well together.

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Old Feb 4, 2002 | 08:51 PM
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On my evo v rs I run more than 1.2bars boost with standard ecu, exhaust and air filter and it have 50 000km whithout any problems.
I've used also the ralliart sports ecu for 10 days at 1.6 boost.

Everybody in UK is advertisin the arp bolts, but I have never seen a broken 4g63 because the bolts broke ,but I have seen many conrods or pistons broken.
In Japan a few tuning companies told me that they were useless, and there are many evos around that run 1.5bars whit the ralliart sports ecu and that don't have the arp stuff.
Old Feb 4, 2002 | 09:05 PM
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I've read over and over again that ralliart uk is a really bad company with terrible customer service. I would lump them together with ralliart of japan.
Old Feb 4, 2002 | 09:15 PM
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Just because I live in Germany doesn't mean I'm German, you know... You can guess 3 times...

Where did you get the idea that my car only holds 1.2 bar?? I peak at 1.5 at the moment, have run 1.6. That can be adjusted in about 5 seconds.

As far as posing.... come here, and I'll show you. That should shut you up, hehehe!! It's just called an avatar, not what I classify as posing.

And you can't talk about ALL of Ralliart, cause there is no such thing if you'd know how they are formed...

And another one: How tall are you Jaffa? I DIDN'T KNOW THEY PILE **** THAT HIGH!!!
Old Feb 4, 2002 | 09:21 PM
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Don't stop arguing guys! This is fun!

I would have to agree with Jaffa on this though. I would always err on the side of being conservative, but I'm a cheap bastard that doesn't want to pay for repairs...
Old Feb 4, 2002 | 09:48 PM
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AFA I'm concerned (and a few others) my opinion is conservative! O.k. I have made the effort to compile some cars that I know off that run high boost without the bolts being done:

1. Claudius (drives hard, boost up to 1.6)
2. Gerrit (drives hard, sub 8:20 N.Ring times, boost up to 1.5)
3. Jan (same as Claudius)
4. Scoobymike (same as Gerrit, though time's not that fast )

All of the above are 6s.

These people all drive very hard and have no problems. Let's hear a list of engine failures then!!! Like I've said quite a few times, when I hear of a case of big-end bolt failure I'm willing to change my opinion. Before that, not really. I would call running 1.8 bar careless.
Old Feb 4, 2002 | 10:09 PM
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I believe you. Jaffa's probably just got too much road kill in his intake and water on the road to drive hard.
Old Feb 4, 2002 | 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by Michaelk
Just because I live in Germany doesn't mean I'm German, you know... You can guess 3 times...
Iraqi?
Originally posted by Michaelk

Where did you get the idea that my car only holds 1.2 bar?? I peak at 1.5 at the moment, have run 1.6. That can be adjusted in about 5 seconds.
You said on page 2.
Originally posted by Michaelk

As far as posing.... come here, and I'll show you. That should shut you up, hehehe!! It's just called an avatar, not what I classify as posing.
I don't mind your Avatar. It's the constant ****e you talk!

Originally posted by Michaelk

And you can't talk about ALL of Ralliart, cause there is no such thing if you'd know how they are formed...
Suppose they don't share knowledge either?

Originally posted by Michaelk

And another one: How tall are you Jaffa? I DIDN'T KNOW THEY PILE **** THAT HIGH!!!
Do you suck dicks Michaelk. No. BULL****, I BET YOU COULD SUCK A GOLFBALL THROUGH A GARDEN HOSE.

and it's STACK not PILE.

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Old Feb 4, 2002 | 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by Michaelk

2. Gerrit (drives hard, sub 8:20 N.Ring times, boost up to 1.5)
Over 8min phuh. Can't be driving that hard.

I am running 1.45 bars held from 3500 rpms to the limiter, with a peak at 1.6. I did however richen the mixture to a gas station buying projected 11:1.

I agree you should not take chances and go higher. I therefore ordered forged engine internals from Japan. Then I will boost to max flow rate and later on get a better turbine.
Well RC Developments don't fit forged conrods untill 1.7 and they MUST be right.

This thread is getting . I hope everything is clear now japspec4G63.

So the bottom line is that my opinion differs to yours and tuning companies differ in opinion too.
Old Feb 5, 2002 | 09:50 AM
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thanks for all your help. Please email me with some suggestions on my new evo V. like where to start and everything. I'd rather hear everyone's personal opinions in my mail than through a forum. that way I can get non-biased opinions and people won't get mad. also, anyone have any connections for japanese parts for a good price? please email me at lancerevoiv@msn.com

one more thing...I hear the fuel system may be different on the evo V than the VI and up. anyone know? thanks!
Old Feb 5, 2002 | 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by JaffaKaffafa

Over 8min phuh. Can't be driving that hard.

THAT really shows how little you know. Go and study the Ring, how fast people lap with what cars and then come back. Better yet, go and visit the place yourself and drive a lap around it and THEN get taken round in a 8:20 time and I guarantee you, you WILL be pissing your pants.

And afa getting into the semantics about quotes from Full Metal Jacket.... your first quote wasn't exactly right either, was it?

You get into a verbal battle and battle about facts with me, you LOSE, big time. So far I think I have proven everything that I have said and you have displayed your little knowledge about tuning, Evos, the car scene in general and the Ring. Now go and educate yourself and come back a better man.

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