first mods to do?
First of all knob is spelled like this.
What Ralliart are you talking about?? Ralliart UK? They have not had ANYTHING to do with the design of the car. The Rallyteam in the UK will have, but they are not the same company. Ralliart Japan, yes, but are you talking to them??
Then: What boost is the RC Developments demo car running? I actually know that, but is it more than 1.3?? Yes, more like over 1.6 at which time I would recommend the bolts, probably even new pistons. Do they fit the bolts for cars that run over 1.3 bar as you as the new tuning guru in the Evo world have written?
The car has the engineering tolerances that you are talking about, but obviously you're not aware of that (could that be because you don't even have an Evo, I don't know...).
You don't know about the DSM scene.... no more info needed, with that you just made yourself a "muppet."
But I'm nice and do like to educate the ones with lesser knowledge, so go and have a look at www.dsm.org, that should enlighten you a little bit.
I can just quote Animal Mother from Full Metal Jacket:
"You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk?" That's what I'm really interested in Mr. Honda.
What Ralliart are you talking about?? Ralliart UK? They have not had ANYTHING to do with the design of the car. The Rallyteam in the UK will have, but they are not the same company. Ralliart Japan, yes, but are you talking to them??
Then: What boost is the RC Developments demo car running? I actually know that, but is it more than 1.3?? Yes, more like over 1.6 at which time I would recommend the bolts, probably even new pistons. Do they fit the bolts for cars that run over 1.3 bar as you as the new tuning guru in the Evo world have written?
The car has the engineering tolerances that you are talking about, but obviously you're not aware of that (could that be because you don't even have an Evo, I don't know...).
You don't know about the DSM scene.... no more info needed, with that you just made yourself a "muppet."
But I'm nice and do like to educate the ones with lesser knowledge, so go and have a look at www.dsm.org, that should enlighten you a little bit.
I can just quote Animal Mother from Full Metal Jacket:
"You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk?" That's what I'm really interested in Mr. Honda.
Last edited by Michaelk; Feb 4, 2002 at 07:32 PM.
Originally posted by Michaelk
First of all knob is spelled like this.
First of all knob is spelled like this.
Originally posted by Michaelk
What Ralliart are you talking about?? Ralliart UK? They have not had ANYTHING to do with the design of the car. The Rallyteam in the UK will have, but they are not the same company. Ralliart Japan, yes, but are you talking to them??
What Ralliart are you talking about?? Ralliart UK? They have not had ANYTHING to do with the design of the car. The Rallyteam in the UK will have, but they are not the same company. Ralliart Japan, yes, but are you talking to them??
Originally posted by Michaelk
Then: What boost is the RC Developments demo car running? I actually know that, but is it more than 1.3?? Yes, more like over 1.6 at which time I would recommend the bolts, probably even new pistons. Do they fit the bolts for cars that run over 1.3 bar as you as the new tuning guru in the Evo world have written?
Then: What boost is the RC Developments demo car running? I actually know that, but is it more than 1.3?? Yes, more like over 1.6 at which time I would recommend the bolts, probably even new pistons. Do they fit the bolts for cars that run over 1.3 bar as you as the new tuning guru in the Evo world have written?
Originally posted by Michaelk
The car has the engineering tolerances that you are talking about, but obviously you're not aware of that (could that be because you don't even have an Evo, I don't know...).
The car has the engineering tolerances that you are talking about, but obviously you're not aware of that (could that be because you don't even have an Evo, I don't know...).
Originally posted by Michaelk
You don't know about the DSM scene.... no more info needed, with that you just made yourself a "muppet."
You don't know about the DSM scene.... no more info needed, with that you just made yourself a "muppet."
Originally posted by Michaelk
But I'm nice and do like to educate the ones with lesser knowledge
But I'm nice and do like to educate the ones with lesser knowledge
Originally posted by Michaelk
I can just quote Animal Mother from Full Metal Jacket:
"You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk?" That's what I'm really interested in Mr. Honda.
I can just quote Animal Mother from Full Metal Jacket:
"You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk?" That's what I'm really interested in Mr. Honda.
If I can now adapt a passage from the same film.....
"Jesus H. Christ Private Pile", if I catch you running 1.6bar on stock internals "again, I'll gorge out your eyeballs and skull**** you."
Anyway, I'm prepared to agree to disagree. That means we just stop arguing without anyone being proved right or wrong.
Besides, we're letting our countries down, usually Brits and Germans get on so well together.
Last edited by JaffaKaffafa; Feb 4, 2002 at 08:45 PM.
On my evo v rs I run more than 1.2bars boost with standard ecu, exhaust and air filter and it have 50 000km whithout any problems.
I've used also the ralliart sports ecu for 10 days at 1.6 boost.
Everybody in UK is advertisin the arp bolts, but I have never seen a broken 4g63 because the bolts broke ,but I have seen many conrods or pistons broken.
In Japan a few tuning companies told me that they were useless, and there are many evos around that run 1.5bars whit the ralliart sports ecu and that don't have the arp stuff.
I've used also the ralliart sports ecu for 10 days at 1.6 boost.
Everybody in UK is advertisin the arp bolts, but I have never seen a broken 4g63 because the bolts broke ,but I have seen many conrods or pistons broken.
In Japan a few tuning companies told me that they were useless, and there are many evos around that run 1.5bars whit the ralliart sports ecu and that don't have the arp stuff.
Just because I live in Germany doesn't mean I'm German, you know... You can guess 3 times...
Where did you get the idea that my car only holds 1.2 bar?? I peak at 1.5 at the moment, have run 1.6. That can be adjusted in about 5 seconds.
As far as posing.... come here, and I'll show you. That should shut you up, hehehe!! It's just called an avatar, not what I classify as posing.
And you can't talk about ALL of Ralliart, cause there is no such thing if you'd know how they are formed...
And another one: How tall are you Jaffa? I DIDN'T KNOW THEY PILE **** THAT HIGH!!!
Where did you get the idea that my car only holds 1.2 bar?? I peak at 1.5 at the moment, have run 1.6. That can be adjusted in about 5 seconds.
As far as posing.... come here, and I'll show you. That should shut you up, hehehe!! It's just called an avatar, not what I classify as posing.
And you can't talk about ALL of Ralliart, cause there is no such thing if you'd know how they are formed...
And another one: How tall are you Jaffa? I DIDN'T KNOW THEY PILE **** THAT HIGH!!!
Don't stop arguing guys! This is fun!
I would have to agree with Jaffa on this though. I would always err on the side of being conservative, but I'm a cheap bastard that doesn't want to pay for repairs...
I would have to agree with Jaffa on this though. I would always err on the side of being conservative, but I'm a cheap bastard that doesn't want to pay for repairs...
AFA I'm concerned (and a few others) my opinion is conservative! O.k. I have made the effort to compile some cars that I know off that run high boost without the bolts being done:
1. Claudius (drives hard, boost up to 1.6)
2. Gerrit (drives hard, sub 8:20 N.Ring times, boost up to 1.5)
3. Jan (same as Claudius)
4. Scoobymike (same as Gerrit, though time's not that fast
)
All of the above are 6s.
These people all drive very hard and have no problems. Let's hear a list of engine failures then!!! Like I've said quite a few times, when I hear of a case of big-end bolt failure I'm willing to change my opinion. Before that, not really. I would call running 1.8 bar careless.
1. Claudius (drives hard, boost up to 1.6)
2. Gerrit (drives hard, sub 8:20 N.Ring times, boost up to 1.5)
3. Jan (same as Claudius)
4. Scoobymike (same as Gerrit, though time's not that fast
)All of the above are 6s.
These people all drive very hard and have no problems. Let's hear a list of engine failures then!!! Like I've said quite a few times, when I hear of a case of big-end bolt failure I'm willing to change my opinion. Before that, not really. I would call running 1.8 bar careless.
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Jaffawhatever
If you paid GBP 200 for rod bolts, you got ripped off! I got mine for 50, which I find expensive. I have them on a shelf in my room at the moment.
Everybody else and also Jaffawhatever
I have never seen a rod bolt failure on a 4G63 and neither have the guys from my rallye team. They say the rod breaks before the bolt does.
I am running 1.45 bars held from 3500 rpms to the limiter, with a peak at 1.6. I did however richen the mixture to a gas station buying projected 11:1.
I agree you should not take chances and go higher. I therefore ordered forged engine internals from Japan. Then I will boost to max flow rate and later on get a better turbine.
If you paid GBP 200 for rod bolts, you got ripped off! I got mine for 50, which I find expensive. I have them on a shelf in my room at the moment.
Everybody else and also Jaffawhatever
I have never seen a rod bolt failure on a 4G63 and neither have the guys from my rallye team. They say the rod breaks before the bolt does.
I am running 1.45 bars held from 3500 rpms to the limiter, with a peak at 1.6. I did however richen the mixture to a gas station buying projected 11:1.

I agree you should not take chances and go higher. I therefore ordered forged engine internals from Japan. Then I will boost to max flow rate and later on get a better turbine.
Originally posted by Michaelk
Just because I live in Germany doesn't mean I'm German, you know... You can guess 3 times...
Just because I live in Germany doesn't mean I'm German, you know... You can guess 3 times...
Originally posted by Michaelk
Where did you get the idea that my car only holds 1.2 bar?? I peak at 1.5 at the moment, have run 1.6. That can be adjusted in about 5 seconds.
Where did you get the idea that my car only holds 1.2 bar?? I peak at 1.5 at the moment, have run 1.6. That can be adjusted in about 5 seconds.
Originally posted by Michaelk
As far as posing.... come here, and I'll show you. That should shut you up, hehehe!! It's just called an avatar, not what I classify as posing.
As far as posing.... come here, and I'll show you. That should shut you up, hehehe!! It's just called an avatar, not what I classify as posing.
Originally posted by Michaelk
And you can't talk about ALL of Ralliart, cause there is no such thing if you'd know how they are formed...
And you can't talk about ALL of Ralliart, cause there is no such thing if you'd know how they are formed...
Originally posted by Michaelk
And another one: How tall are you Jaffa? I DIDN'T KNOW THEY PILE **** THAT HIGH!!!
And another one: How tall are you Jaffa? I DIDN'T KNOW THEY PILE **** THAT HIGH!!!

and it's STACK not PILE.
Last edited by JaffaKaffafa; Feb 4, 2002 at 11:34 PM.
Originally posted by Michaelk
2. Gerrit (drives hard, sub 8:20 N.Ring times, boost up to 1.5)
2. Gerrit (drives hard, sub 8:20 N.Ring times, boost up to 1.5)
I am running 1.45 bars held from 3500 rpms to the limiter, with a peak at 1.6. I did however richen the mixture to a gas station buying projected 11:1.
I agree you should not take chances and go higher. I therefore ordered forged engine internals from Japan. Then I will boost to max flow rate and later on get a better turbine.
I agree you should not take chances and go higher. I therefore ordered forged engine internals from Japan. Then I will boost to max flow rate and later on get a better turbine.
This thread is getting
. I hope everything is clear now japspec4G63.
So the bottom line is that my opinion differs to yours and tuning companies differ in opinion too.
thanks for all your help. Please email me with some suggestions on my new evo V. like where to start and everything. I'd rather hear everyone's personal opinions in my mail than through a forum. that way I can get non-biased opinions and people won't get mad. also, anyone have any connections for japanese parts for a good price? please email me at lancerevoiv@msn.com
one more thing...I hear the fuel system may be different on the evo V than the VI and up. anyone know? thanks!
one more thing...I hear the fuel system may be different on the evo V than the VI and up. anyone know? thanks!
Originally posted by JaffaKaffafa
Over 8min phuh. Can't be driving that hard.
Over 8min phuh. Can't be driving that hard.
And afa getting into the semantics about quotes from Full Metal Jacket.... your first quote wasn't exactly right either, was it?
You get into a verbal battle and battle about facts with me, you LOSE, big time. So far I think I have proven everything that I have said and you have displayed your little knowledge about tuning, Evos, the car scene in general and the Ring. Now go and educate yourself and come back a better man.
Last edited by Michaelk; Feb 5, 2002 at 01:40 PM.


