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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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Cool I did not know if you understood what I was getting at, but with some DSM experience you probably have an idea. Assuming that the timing belt pulley is still connected to the crank (and I do not see why it would not be) I am going to stick with my guess that a shaft is frozen and that the crank pulley stripped that part of the belt. If so the crank would turn over, the cams woould not spin, and the belt would be very difficult to pull out if it is still engaging the frozen balance shaft pulley....
The crank is turning over fine
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 02:09 PM
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Umm, WHY is your timing belt cut in half? IF you did that I still have to ask why?

You will need a LOT more than just a piston... most likely the rod for the piston, and the rest of the piston assembly... not to mention some head work... those valves do NOT look seated at ALL. Hopefully you can get them out, without damaging the valve guides.
i had to cut it to get the head off, the bottom is chewed up cause the crank was turning and nothing else was, so it damaged it, also its locked up and i havent tore it down far enough to see what happened, i have to take the rest of the timing belt cover off tomorrow, most likely its my timing belt tenisioner that is holding it, thats what im gettting from alot of people. only time will tell
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 03:03 PM
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here is the problem, i dont know the 4g63 that well so if you know what this is you will know my problem, its circled in red. that locked up and will not turn, it was holding the timing belt from turning at all!!!

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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 03:44 PM
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Thats the balance shaft. The other side is the balance shaft that is connected to the oil pump.

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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 05:45 PM
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Which is exactly what I guessed at....... Front balance shaft froze.
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 07:39 AM
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What is the fix? do i replace to oil pump and problem is gone?
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 07:46 AM
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It will have to go to a machine shop to really get an idea of the damage. My guess would be at least new valves, possibly guides, maybe pistons, balance shaft (unless you eliminate them) and possible new oil pump. And the machine work, gaskets, labor.....
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 08:26 AM
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Sorry to hear about the motor. Same thing happened to mine. Balance shaft seized because I was low on oil. Went through the same thing, and ended up with a complete long block motor swap.
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 09:30 AM
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Sorry to hear about the motor. Same thing happened to mine. Balance shaft seized because I was low on oil. Went through the same thing, and ended up with a complete long block motor swap.
I checked my oil level and it was fine!! did it make any noise before it happened?
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 11:42 AM
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Yeah, thought I was getting lifter tick from the cams after a drag strip pass. Then on the way home the rocker arms came off and all he ll broke loose.
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 12:13 PM
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Umm, if that's the front balance shaft sprocket, where's the oil pump sprocket?

I've looked through my service manual and from everything I can see, that appears to be the oil pump sprocket that you have circled there.
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Fireball
Umm, if that's the front balance shaft sprocket, where's the oil pump sprocket?

I've looked through my service manual and from everything I can see, that appears to be the oil pump sprocket that you have circled there.

I think this sprocket drives both balance shaft and the oil pump.
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 12:44 PM
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That is what the diagram shows. Balance shaft alone does not have a sprocket on it. The BS that turns the oil pump gear does which is what is pictured. It may be that the oil pump ceased, period.
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BadazzCR
My guess would be the lightweight crank pulley allowed the crank to vibrate more than usuall wiping the bearing tolerances, which in turn lowered your oil pressure. To a point that caused the head to seize, and break the timing belt, which stopped your motor from runing.


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i concur with you on the crank pulley allowing vibration

It seems his oil pump or balance shaft seized as a result

The stock harmonic dampner serves a very valuable purpose - that is why i still have it on my race car
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Fireball
Umm, if that's the front balance shaft sprocket, where's the oil pump sprocket?

I've looked through my service manual and from everything I can see, that appears to be the oil pump sprocket that you have circled there.
That is the Balance shaft sprocket. The oil pump sprocket is on the left side of the motor.


Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
That is what the diagram shows. Balance shaft alone does not have a sprocket on it. The BS that turns the oil pump gear does which is what is pictured. It may be that the oil pump ceased, period.
What he circled in the pic is the balance shaft. It could have gone bad as well. It happens from poor oiling or what Badazzcr stated harmonic vibrations from the aftermarket pulley.

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