You are absolutely right. This is where I was heading. I was just waiting for David to tell us he’s using a bigger turbo so I could add one more thing to the list. Namely, that bigger, more efficient turbos = lower temps. And just like you said, if he’s going to start comparing street pulls at all, he should do it against my log because my car has a bigger turbo and the one temp sensor doing all the work is in the same spot and is being logged with the same system. But even that would not be a fair test (as I tried to explain to David in my last post). Though, it would certainly be fairer than what he’s doing now. It’s funny how David keeps telling everyone to open their eyes and read the data being presented in this thread, but he seems to not be able to find the right data to compare himself.
Look at my post on page 11 about Buschur’s "BAD ***" parts. If you don’t have AEMLog, you can just look at the print screen I posted on page 12. Those are logs comparing his standard core with Nisei’s standard core.

 

I love this crap. Its so pointless yet somehow seems to get under peoples skin. Who really cares? If you dont like one or the other, dont buy it. This is futile and can never be truly put to rest unless someone unbaised gets ahold of both. Put one on, do three pulls. Swap it, let the car sit for a few hours and run three more with the other IC. You would need to log boost, IC inlet temp and ic outlet temp. You would need to be on the same road in the same starting point on the road and make sure you start the accel at the same RPM in the same gear both times. You could record any additional lag, lowered boost, and the actual temp changes. Otherwise.... this is completely futile. Maybe Dave will send me one of his and Nis can send me one of thiers. Id be happy to post unbiased results.

 

Jesus Christ...Dave just posted a log where the intercooler outlet temps went up by five degrees over four gears. Yet the Nisei fanboys want to argue about sensors and "standard cores". Please give us more insightfull conversation on how an intercooler can drop intake temps below ambient.

 

Sorry I never kept up with this because I never cared to read it all but this is some funny stuff One thing, you cant cool the air from an air to air IC like Dave said... simple phsyics or chemistry that I thought was common knowledge.

Anyways... dont know how this "test" could be used as anything at all.

 

What are you saying? Are you talking about cooling the air to below ambient temps with an air-to-air core or are you talking about sensors measuring below ambient temps? Maybe both? Either way, we are all sick of talking about that subject and there are plenty of posts which will show you that your understanding of physics is simply wrong if you think David is right. So my advice to you is keep reading.

 

Same advice as above.

 

uhh..... Thats neat Air temp is air temp. Think about it simply man... if you have 50 degree air inside anything... you blow 50 degree air at it.... it aint gonna get colder

Again man.... Ive logged ALOT of cars under alot of setups in alot of conditions... NEVER once had the outlet temps cooler (Without aiding with chemicals). But I suppose if your logging shows that your IC can cool air lower than the temp outside I would definately go with it and never questions all the scientists that made all those stupid little physics laws... after all... you have "proof"

 

Nisei and David "won"... everyone else "lost"... SuperHonda (board mentality) reigns supreme

 

Did you read what trinydex, fourdoor, or myself wrote about this?

 

Now yes... if you want to get very complicated by evaporation, the temp does get cooler and many other things that could do it.... but considering it is air by a turbo... it is not getting cooler . On top of that.... you said the air temp was the same both days yet somehow the baseline numbers were off by 25% from each other. Why would you honestly think this is a good test?

And like I also stated before... I dont really care that much to read into thermo dynamics, gas properties, and anything else related because I dont care... when I log things my **** works right and I can go from there. I can also run the car and see if it makes more power... not theorize and proficise about it all. Lastly, I would rather spend time on something that actually might make a difference. Not fight about whether you know anything or not. I am pretty sure my car is faster than yours and guess what.... I have an inferior intercooler

 

For me Buschur's reputation is the number one thing that is without question. So yeah, I am a fan boy and my decisions have become mindless...its a no brainer and you can't say I'm one of the stupid fan boys because I only have an IQ of 147 I am glad I no longer have to think about what products to get. I was so sick of trying different vendor's products....calling up and complaining...getting no where...Since I have been buying and using Buschur's products it has truly been a god send. You get what you pay for and luckily you don't have to pay alot more to get their quality and service.

I have not had experience with Buschur's race FMIC for the EVO yet but I have used the DSM race FMIC (note that this is a Spearco core and Dave has found the Garret to be even more efficient) and managed to run 120 - 122mph traps on a 160,000 mile stock block/head with 264 cams at only 25psi with their BR440 turbo. That is proof enough for me.
Here is my car trapping 120mph

Ironically I had the following video sent to me tonight of a 2G DSM running 35psi on a stock bottom end that trapped 11.9 @ 120mph and blew up on the dyno

Here is the other car
The owner of an AWD 1995 Eagle Talon decided to take his car to the dyno to see how it fared to the rest of the comparable cars with simliar mods, mainly cars who were still running stock bottom ends. With nitrous, there were hopes of over 500WHP. The car had ran an 11.9 @ 120 earlier in the year, so the possibilties of reaching that goal were close in sight. How'd it fare? You'll just have to watch!

 

Gödel, the temps were off by 20.18%. And yes, I did acknowledge that. My point was simply that the 50 degree warmer temp difference that the Buschur core showed would not be made up by the 9F ambient difference.

 

No but the sensor reading those huge difference would EASILY account for a 100 degree temp increase Grosna Pitchka (Since you like to speak extravagant languages). Perhaps I SHOULD use faulty reading sensors while tuning... I ate two widebands (Or so I thought)... they only read 14.3-15.1 AFR.... I should probably just keep mindlessly adding more fuel right?

No offense man... but you dont think too logically. With a 20% difference (A difference which isnt even a POSSIBLE true temp), its quite obvious the test was bunk. It doesnt take a guy with an IQ of 147 to see that (But we already got one on board just in case ).

 

Listed is the core size, not full size. Of course it would be similiar looking as when it was produced using the stock mounting locations and piping it would have to be done some way or another. There are only but so many ways you can make it fit with little or no cutting as well as using oem mounting and piping.

Cheaper doesn't necessarily always mean better

AF-Performance

 

Just a side note. What we posted was our opinion of the subject at hand. Its a poll - fmic..

No need to get all touchy as you have been in this thread. Its not to say you have an inferior product to any other listed brand on the poll. Its an opinion, you are entitled to yours as well.

In the end the customer will look at the product, there budget and make a decision on where to go from there. To sit here and make judgment on which is better honestly is just a waste of time and space.

Quality always speaks for itself. Let the customer decide.

AF-Performance