I know I will be getting the AMS when the time comes. I have their upper and lower pipes already!

 

Regarding AMS and Buschur:

Do/does your ic('s) fit without modifications? what about JDM evo8's?

I have pretty solid info that the Nisei needs extensive (for me) modifications to fit. Including cutting s few pieces of metal and the underpanel. While capable of doing these things, I'm just too **** to live with them. I don't mind if I have to buy the piping, just don't want to do anything irreversible to my car.

 

Our Deluxe kit falls in with no cutting. Our deluxe kit only requires cutting of the undertray if you use the factory undertray. For guys with flat splitters in the front they go on with no cutting or modifications.

The race FMIC will also require fairly minor trimming of the undertray and the mounting tabs for the steel mesh in the grille have to be trimmed. We are actually making new end tanks now that are shaped differently to try to eliminate that trimming. I won't know if it works until we get the first one welded up.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

Same as David, our standard core fits with only minor trimming of the undertray. I'm fairly sure it would fit the JDM car as well, as well as the Evo VII.

 

Seems like the other brands also require the same 'extensive' modifications to fit.

 

Does the AMS need cutting/ trimming of the car to fit?

I was under the impression that it didn't and was a straight drop in replacement.

Mike

 

The only trimming required is to the undertray. Some people choose to remove the thing completly, or replace it with one like the Beatrush one which would clear the intercooler with ease.

 

Mitsubishi EVO Intercooler Kits - HorsepowerFreaks EVO8 Behemoth


http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric.../EVO8_Behemoth

 

That "Behemoth" intercooler you posted a link to is NOT behemouth. 25x11.5x3, is smaller than our Standard and Deluxe kits which come in at 865.2 cu in compared to the one you posted at 862.5 cu. in. Our race core by comparison is much larger 1160 cu in.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

I got my Buschur Race FMIC a couple of days ago and dayum is that thing big! Looks like a quality product and as long as my data logger verifies the great results on this thread I will be very happy

Thanks Dave for the quick shipping and beautiful FMIC

 

godspeed is nice also!

 

NO problem on the intercooler, glad you like it. Post the results of your datalogs as I am sure you will find the results the same as ours.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

Im no rocket scientist, but if there is more frontal area (AND the frontal area is exposed to the air coming in towards the front of the car) the additional air will actually get inside the IC to do the heat transfer.

The idea that additional frontal area would create more drag is ridiculous. This would only hold true if the intercooler was larger in surface area than the actual BUMPER!

There are other things to consider too… how well the air moves through the intercooler and if there is any pressure loss. A loss in pressure could be overcome by increasing the boost… but of course that will increase the temp on the air. (air heats as it’s pressurized).

 

hahaha... actually he is correct, it would create more drag. which is why i didn't contest, becuase if you read the whole thing i've contested every little possibly discrepent thing. picture this... if you have nothing but a tube frame and it has some drag coefficient and you put the intercooler in... taht drag coefficient would go up. if you then made that intercooler larger without surpassing hte boudnaries of the tube frame, your drag coefficient would still go up.

the fact that the intercooler is attatched to the car means that you'll have to push it, and if more air is going through it that is more viscous and frictional drag.

however it's a bit of a non issue why? because you can't have too much cooling, even if there is a need for increase horsepower to push the car through because of the additional cooling goodies it's still better to have the cooling. this is why f1 cars have so many ducts and diffusers. contrary to what many peopel would think an f1 car is possibly the most unaerodynamic type of race car there is. it's coefficient of drag is huge.

also every type of race car that competes professionally has tons of ducts forcing air into heat exchangers, these all cause drag, yet race teams still put them on, even in rally.

 

They put best engineers on designing F1 car body design. they test every day and night. It is the most aerodynamically desgined car. drag is there to push down on that car. The downforce they put is so great that you can drive upside down after 100 mph. this is wrong comparison there. they will open the duct for absolutely necessary amount only. Toyota F1 aerodynamic team's head guy told our Fluid dynamics engineer that they would pay him multi million dollars to him if he can improve drag coefficent just 1%! and He couldn't even with the power of super computers and the project money he got from the Toyota.
Don't get a wrong Idea. Evo's areo dynamic is horrible already. just do the 4th gear pull and it will be like having 1000lbs added to your car after 100 mph.
However, under 60 mph, there will be the great benefit having large intercoolers. you can ignore the drag under 60 mph.