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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gkania
Dude, this is how it all started, AL said you would make 10 more horsepower when you got the BR TBE.

Al, yes it does have a flex section, no it does not neck down.

Wouldn't you agree that a high flow cat would be more of a restriction than any bends in piping or exhaust flanges. I would certainly think so. Does Buschur not offer a TBE with test pipe?
I beleie the customers can pick the magnaflow muffler or the racing muffler pictured and also get a high flow cat or a test pipe - all at the same price
Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:30 PM
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No, as far as Im concerned you already have been handed too much and should have to hit 11.4 or send it all back.
Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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Better still, if you can't, send the parts on down and Ill do it for ya Just Hatin cause I don't get free parts, don't mind me.

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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:42 PM
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Al, you just edited the pics, so the part you were actually comparing the Megan muffler to is just a welded on tip, not even the muffler internals themsleves. This is where your credibility goes to hell, for all you know the muffler could bottleneck to half an inch in there for noise reduction. I doubt that's the case, but you get my point.
Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Guys - sometimes I have to spend a couple of hours tuning a car so give me a break if I can't respond immediately

Its funny how things get blown out of proportion

I had no intention to start a sepearte thread on Megan Exhuasts - it was a side comment that I had made to one member's suggestion that Warrtalon could have made more power with a BR exhuast and I agree

Somehow - that comment was moved into this seperate thread

As for the inner measurement - when you look at the back of one of these Megan ones it looks down right ridiculous this giant tip with a tiny hole inside.

Personally - I just don't like that design and its nearly impossible to get a good a/f reading with a wideband in that tip due to the huge variation in diamater

They must have changed the design on this b/c this one pictured is larger slightly inside than others I have seen before

Afer seeing this picture - I am thinking that the Buschur unit must be over 3" inside - I am going to take some measurements now
Your bold statement that the Megan unit tapers has been reduced to "it looks down right ridiculous this giant tip with a tiny hole inside". Well that "tiny hole" has been proven without a shadow of a doubt to be a full 3". I guess all 3" catbacks are tiny, including Buschur Racing, the one you were trying to push for BR?

Al, we both know that no tuner should rely on a tailpipe clamp to tune a car reliably. Worst case scenario if there were no additional bungs available the rear O2 bung should be used and if P0420 is thrown during the tune, you can simply reset it for the next 50mi and finish, unaffected.

At a local dyno I have found time and time again that our "DP mounted" or testpipe mounted O2 readings are much leaner than the tailpipe clamp as we have tested them on a number of cars concurrently. You do NOT want to tune what you think is 11.2 at the tailpipe as it could quite possibly be 11.6-11.9 further up the exhaust stream.

We understand you are in cahoots with Buschur which is nice. He is great company. The problem people have with your statement is that the Buschur unit will make more power. On top of that you posted incorrect info regarding the Megan unit about it tapering and calling it a "Taiwan POS". If in fact the BR unit would make more power, it would be negligible (+/- 2whp) and it would be due to the lack of a resonator and the small "resonator" of an exhaust can. Hell for all we know the Megan unit could trump the BR. Lets all pipe down unless these units are tested back to back. After all it is the Buschur way to dyno prove results.
Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gkania
Al, you just edited the pics, so the part you were actually comparing the Megan muffler to is just a welded on tip, not even the muffler internals themsleves. This is where your credibility goes to hell, for all you know the muffler could bottleneck to half an inch in there for noise reduction. I doubt that's the case, but you get my point.

Shh, he is trying to regain his non-existent credibility.
Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
Your bold statement that the Megan unit tapers has been reduced to "it looks down right ridiculous this giant tip with a tiny hole inside". Well that "tiny hole" has been proven without a shadow of a doubt to be a full 3". I guess all 3" catbacks are tiny, including Buschur Racing, the one you were trying to push for BR?

Al, we both know that no tuner should rely on a tailpipe clamp to tune a car reliably. Worst case scenario if there were no additional bungs available the rear O2 bung should be used and if P0420 is thrown during the tune, you can simply reset it for the next 50mi and finish, unaffected.

At a local dyno I have found time and time again that our "DP mounted" or testpipe mounted O2 readings are much leaner than the tailpipe clamp as we have tested them on a number of cars concurrently. You do NOT want to tune what you think is 11.2 at the tailpipe as it could quite possibly be 11.6-11.9 further up the exhaust stream.

We understand you are in cahoots with Buschur which is nice. He is great company. The problem people have with your statement is that the Buschur unit will make more power. On top of that you posted incorrect info regarding the Megan unit about it tapering and calling it a "Taiwan POS". If in fact the BR unit would make more power, it would be negligible (+/- 2whp) and it would be due to the lack of a resonator and the small "resonator" of an exhaust can. Hell for all we know the Megan unit could trump the BR. Lets all pipe down unless these units are tested back to back. After all it is the Buschur way to dyno prove results.
I agree a test is in order
Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:51 PM
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By the way, a beer can measures 2.5 inches!
Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gkania
Al, you just edited the pics, so the part you were actually comparing the Megan muffler to is just a welded on tip, not even the muffler internals themsleves. This is where your credibility goes to hell, for all you know the muffler could bottleneck to half an inch in there for noise reduction. I doubt that's the case, but you get my point.
For what its worth the actual muffler section of the BR unit is actually LARGER than the 3" pipe as it slides OVER the pipe

Its designed differently as you can see from the pics
Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
calling it a "Taiwan POS".
You know I also find it funny that he states "made in America" on BR when BR also sales non-America exhausts/parts. Personally if I was David I would be ashamed to be associated with such a person as it completely goes against what David seems to be about "facts" and not imaginary numbers.

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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:53 PM
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By the way, a beer can measures 2.5 inches!
That is my point - if you can NOT fit a beer can in your exhuast then its too small - a simple test

Obviously it will fit with room to spare in any 3" unit
Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:55 PM
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You know I also find it funny that he states "made in America" on BR when BR also sales non-America exhausts/parts. Personally if I was David I would be ashamed to be associated with such a person as it completely goes against what David seems to be about "facts" and not imaginary numbers.

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I dont know what you are talking about

I personally see them - BR - making the exhausts on loaction in Wakeman OH when I go there

My "facts" are my 745 whp I made with this same exhuast on my car and the 9.98 I went with it in the 1/4 mile - nothing imaginary about those numbers

Frankly - there is no need for all this negatie vibe here. I just prefer and use BR units and you guys like Megan units.

Obviously Megan has increased the size of its muffler in some way which is great for them.

I still prefer made in USA quality goods - personal choice

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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash

I personally see them - BR - making the exhausts on loaction in Wakeman OH when I go there

My "facts" are my 745 whp I made with this same exhuast on my car and the 9.98 I went with it in the 1/4 mile - nothing imaginary about those numbers
I cant argue with that!
Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:57 PM
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he is just busy explaining lol..
Old Jan 18, 2006 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I dont know what you are talking about

I personally see them - BR - making the exhausts on loaction in Wakeman OH when I go there

My "facts" are my 745 whp I made with this same exhuast on my car and the 9.98 I went with it in the 1/4 mile - nothing imaginary about those numbers

Frankly - there is no need for all this negatie vibe here. I just prefer and use BR units and you guys like Megan units.

Obviously Megan has increased the size of its muffler in some way which is great for them.

I still prefer made in USA quality goods - personal choice
Not anymore, your "vibe" has made a complete 180 since the start of the thread. SO maybe we have met halfway in the middle, or just agree to disagree. Now someone send the golden child a BR turbo back so we can see what's what!



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