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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 10:32 PM
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Has anyone tried products from Authority? I bought and exhaust and quickly sent it back. Cheap in quality and it didn't even fit with the line of the hangers. I personally think you get what you pay for. I couldn't be any happier with my AMS downpipe, high flow cat, and exhaust.
Old Jan 18, 2006 | 11:07 PM
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The "Chinese' and "Taiwanese" POS statements were quite offensive to me. I don't want to make this all racial but it sounded to me Al is saying Chinese people can't make any quality parts, which was proven incorrect by the Megan products. Asia had come a long way to catch up with the west and I am damn proud of their achievements. Also, they provide a much more competitive price for the consumers with close if not matching quality of the Western made parts.

I agree that everyone has the freedom to buy whatever parts they want for their car but its ridiculous how some Evom sponsors are twisting the truth or making false claims against other company's products. I have personally seen David Buschur's exhaust and wasn't very impressed with the quality. However, I am in no way saying its not a good exhaust nor it doesn't work....I was just not impress by it.

I hope this thread doesn't get erase or moved around by the mods as it stands as a great testimony on how much we can believe what some of the sponsors are claiming.

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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 11:34 PM
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This thread is somewhat amusing.

If someone is so against Chinese and Taiwan parts you may as well throw your computer out the window that you are using right now as 90% of the parts inside are made in China and Taiwan.
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 05:18 AM
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yeh, i guess if we all bought american cars, we'll all be just going straight or broke down on the side of the road.

then again, there are people who take a beautifully handling car and butcher it to just go straight. But that's another thread. heh...

So i'm confused. If you say "buy american", if there are chinese guy, who's an american citizen, who makes parts in america, you would still buy it? Or would you say it's crap even though it's a good part?

I say, if you don't like asian products, you're screwed, since about more than 80% of the things in your house is made from some part of asia or the other.

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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 05:39 AM
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Maybe Al should just trade his Evo in for a Saturn Redline/G6/Cavalier whatever they call it now supercharged 4 cylinder and to show his American pride!!!

Ah Shoot, I forgot those are made in Mexico
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by forbidden color
yeh, i guess if we all bought american cars, we'll all be just going straight or broke down on the side of the road.

then again, there are people who take a beautifully handling car and butcher it to just go straight. But that's another thread. heh...

So i'm confused. If you say "buy american", if there are chinese guy, who's an american citizen, who makes parts in america, you would still buy it? Or would you say it's crap even though it's a good part?

I say, if you don't like asian products, you're screwed, since about more than 80% of the things in your house is made from some part of asia or the other.
Al is going to have to move to an Indian reservation and ride a horse from now on, if we want to get technical about it.
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 06:47 AM
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Megan exhaust is VERY good flowing and makes good power..plain and simple. I have the first version Megan and it is 3"+ EVERYWHERE. I measured it in every possible place before putting it on because I wasn't going to put on one the necked down below 3". Mine has been on for 2 Ohio winters and it still looks GREAT. It is a quality polished stainless exhaust for a good price.
There are alot of Evo's in my area with different exhausts so I've seen and heard many others....and the Megan is one of my favorites.
I could care less where it's made really, as long as it is made right.
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 07:26 AM
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I have the stock manifold, and since the stock DP doesnt have a flex section i think ill be aite with a solid 3inch dp.
True, but the stock DP uses spring bolts and the aftermarket does not...at least what I've seen so far doesn't use spring bolts. Spring bolts that ARE POS's BTW.
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 07:31 AM
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True, but the stock DP uses spring bolts and the aftermarket does not...at least what I've seen so far doesn't use spring bolts. Spring bolts that ARE POS's BTW.
I would never use a solid DP without at least the POWERFLEX motor mounts as they keep the engine from torquing, which breaks exhaust seals and "could potentially" crack dp flange welds.
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 08:16 AM
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This whole buy US parts topic to support the US Aftermaket manufaturers is very far off topic - but just for kicks - here are the parts on my car

Buschur Exhuast

Buschur Race FMIC andupper fmic pipes

Buschur mini battery kit

Buschur / SMC alcohol injection kit

Precision fuel injectors

Garret GT42R turbo

Shearer turbo manifold

AMS Intake

Accufab TB

Hoosier tires

Eaton hoses and connectiors

Aeromotive pump and regulator

Tial wastegate and BOV

Pauter rods

Buschur Pistons

Ferrea Valves

AEM EMS



I have some UK parts also


Forge UNOS MBC

Forge Strut Bar

Forge header tank

Forge power steering tank


I also have a bit of JDM stuff

HKS Twin fire

Exeddy Triple Carbon Clutch

HKS cam gears


My main point is that I like to support the US aftermarket industry when ever I can to keep innovation and cutting edge going in the US

While cheap chinese knock off products are available, I do not choose them as I know the government there sanctions environmental abuses, human rights abuses and unfair trade practices in order to make these cheaper products possible.

I am not against Chinese people at all. I just dont like the manner in which the Chinese government conducts its unfair trade actions - for exmaple not allowing its currency to trade openly on the market and mantaining an artificially low valuation on its currencies to make these prodcuts cheap.

Where ever I can I try my best to search out US made goods. However, lets face it the way things are going here in a few years NOTHING will be made in the USA - its all going to be made in China or Mexico or somewhere else. We'll all have to see what the future holds in this regard but I see alot more chinese parts going into the after maket in the comming year.

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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash

Where ever I can I try my best to search out US made goods. However, lets face it the way things are going here in a few years NOTHING will be made in the USA - its all going to be made in China or Mexico or somewhere else. We'll all have to see what the future holds in this regard but I see alot more chinese parts going into the after maket in the comming year.

Well thats what happens when people don't want to pay over $200 for parts like an upper IC pipe, or $175 for a test pipe etc.
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 08:34 AM
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Well thats what happens when people don't want to pay over $200 for parts like an upper IC pipe, or $175 for a test pipe etc.
I concur with you 100%

I see the total demise of us manufacturing in all segments
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 08:43 AM
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I would never use a solid DP without at least the POWERFLEX motor mounts as they keep the engine from torquing, which breaks exhaust seals and "could potentially" crack dp flange welds.
what are powerflex mounts? are they stiffer than stock mounts or softer?
also, if im using greddy ti isnt it ok to use a solid 3" dp since the greddy ti pipe is so light so it wont put as much strain on the turbo, and if i put stiffer polyurethane engine mounts on would that decrease strain on the turbo housing since the engine wont move around/vibrate as much?

i know stiffer mounts will vibrate the car itself more, such as steering wheel and the whole body, but i dont mind that
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 08:49 AM
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From page 4.

Al you weight on our system that you stated at 23 pounds is for the TURBO back not the cat back. Our cat back is only 16 pounds. That is 20 pounds lighter than the stock catback.

We have absolutely NO reducers, resonators, baffles or anything else in our system to slow the flow down.

The picture of the Meagan that you posted. Is that the picture of the actual EVO downpipe? If so appears to me to be 2.5-2.75" in the front before the flex, goes up to 3" and then back down to the smaller size again right before the cat flange. I am just judging this from the picture you posted.

To answer another question. We do offer an offroad pipe with out system for off road use. I think the point Al was trying to make is below are the options you can get and they are all at the same price:

3" mandrel bent 304 grade SS downpipe (standard)
3" high flow cat OR 3" offroad pipe (options)
3" mandrel bent 304 grade SS catback (standard)
3" BR lightweight race muffler or 3" Magnaflow muffler (options)
Shipping is included.
Installation kit is included.
Offroad pipe users also get the 02 mechanical fix
Price is $825 shipped.

Now something I'd like to point out. If you squeeze a 3" downpipe into an EVO through the stock lower tie bars it can be made to fit. I honestly feel though that anyone that buys a full 3" downpipe and keeps the tie bars should use or be supplied the spacers we make. We make a .400 thick 304 grade SS spacer for the tie bars. The downpipe will fit without it but as with any 3" downpipe it is my feeling that over the years as the motor mounts wear and sag ALL 3" downpipes that don't use a spacer are going to hit. We include them. The Buick Grand Nationals are a perfect example of this happening. That is why you can't find a passenger side inner fender well for one anymore. They were burnt up from 3" downpipes and replaced.

Thank you,

David Buschur
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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by alloyic_rs
what are powerflex mounts? are they stiffer than stock mounts or softer?
also, if im using greddy ti isnt it ok to use a solid 3" dp since the greddy ti pipe is so light so it wont put as much strain on the turbo, and if i put stiffer polyurethane engine mounts on would that decrease strain on the turbo housing since the engine wont move around/vibrate as much?

i know stiffer mounts will vibrate the car itself more, such as steering wheel and the whole body, but i dont mind that
Catback has little to do with strain. Infact the weight itself does not make a big difference within reason. The issue is the movement of the motor from front to back (it actually twists) much like a V6 or V8 does from left to right. The powerflex motor mount is STIFFER, which prohibits or reduces front to back movement. where a flex section allows for the twisting of the motor to be taken up in this flex section.

I can tell you this. We put in the front motor mount alone Sun night. Holy *&^#, this has to be the best bang for the buck on the Evo (that we are on the subject of good value in products). From a full standstill to just get the car moving is a HUGE improvement. For those who chatter the clutch, I urge you to try this. As far as launching, it is very consistant and allows for high RPM shifts without lockouts.



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