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From: 2003 Evo VIII - Silver
Originally Posted by Piper
Al:
I've had my issues with you in the past, but I couldn't agree with you more in this case. There is certainly nothing wrong with purchasing American goods simply because they are American. Likewise, there is nothing wrong with using your buying power to express your patriotism; this IS America, and we should all be grateful that we have the right to choose whichever goods or services we do or do not want. I personally tend to purchase the best quality parts relative to their price, regardless of their origin. For those you find some hypocricy in leaning tword buying American parts for a Japanese car, that's fair enough.
There is however something wrong with bashing a vendor or product without cause, which is what you did. A POS product isn't a POS because it was made somewhere else. The mustangII and pacer were made in Michigan, after all. In this instance at least, you showed a lack of responsibility. Stuff like this might eventually damage your credibility, and that of those who affiliate themselves with you. Just apologize and move on. That's responsibility.As far as China engaging in unfair trade practices, that's true. However, China is a communist country. They don't have a free-market economy. American industry is, in my opinion, better off with how things are now. You say China is wrong for failing to allow the open market to value its currency, but can you imagine what that would do to our trade defict? If you bought a steak knife that was made in China and didn't like the quality, would you show your displeasure by stabbing yourself with it?
Sorry for the rant..
-Doug
I've had my issues with you in the past, but I couldn't agree with you more in this case. There is certainly nothing wrong with purchasing American goods simply because they are American. Likewise, there is nothing wrong with using your buying power to express your patriotism; this IS America, and we should all be grateful that we have the right to choose whichever goods or services we do or do not want. I personally tend to purchase the best quality parts relative to their price, regardless of their origin. For those you find some hypocricy in leaning tword buying American parts for a Japanese car, that's fair enough.
There is however something wrong with bashing a vendor or product without cause, which is what you did. A POS product isn't a POS because it was made somewhere else. The mustangII and pacer were made in Michigan, after all. In this instance at least, you showed a lack of responsibility. Stuff like this might eventually damage your credibility, and that of those who affiliate themselves with you. Just apologize and move on. That's responsibility.As far as China engaging in unfair trade practices, that's true. However, China is a communist country. They don't have a free-market economy. American industry is, in my opinion, better off with how things are now. You say China is wrong for failing to allow the open market to value its currency, but can you imagine what that would do to our trade defict? If you bought a steak knife that was made in China and didn't like the quality, would you show your displeasure by stabbing yourself with it?
Sorry for the rant..
-Doug
The context of my original post in this thread was a response to a suggestion about what effect if any removing the Megan exhuast on Wartallon's car and replaing it with a BR unit would have
I was suggesting that I would like to see that - in response to the suggestion and this all was going on in a sepreate thread
Somehow this comment was taken out of its original context and placed in a seperate thread here
I stand by my opinion about the various ss autochrome, Authority, Agency power, Sumo, and Megan made in China or Tawian units
I feel that they all lack the quality and perfromance capability of the Buschur Racing units and others made in the USA such as AMS for example
As a side note - I follow a lot of world news in the NY Times and on PRI and I have learned a lot of what is going on in China now and I do not support the promotion of the Chinese economy - its a personal opinion. Lucky for me I live in the US where I can say what I feel without haveing my words censored and myself put in jail.
My undergraduate degree is in Pol Sci with a minor in international relations. Back 20 years ago when I was studying these issues the China situation was vastly different. Huge changes are underway in the world economy and the nature of the US economy is going to also make huge changes as we see pension plans disappear and US companies go out of business. I think this topic of discussion is really 100% unrelated to cars and tuning. I have nothing against the chinese people, I just don't care for the way the Chinese goverement does business.
I think many of you should take my opinion about exhuast for what it is and move on.
I am not changing my view on this subject nor do I expect those selling and buying Megan to change theirs
I dont sell any exhuasts - I just tune them
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I feel that they all lack the quality and perfromance capability of the Buschur Racing units and others made in the USA such as AMS for example
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Originally Posted by razorlab
Since when is full robotic TIG welds, polished and non-slip fit fittings lesser quality??
At least here we can have this discussion without fear of being arrested and executed
I think this conversation is going circular and I really have nothing further to say about it
Apparently David Buschur has ordered a Megan unit to test against his unit so I will await the results of that test
If the Megan unit makes more power I will appologize to everyone and will promise to run Megan exhuast on my race car this season - how is that ?
Man, I paid only 200 bucks plus shippings for my TBE SS 3 inch off Ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWN%3AIT
I couldn't be MORE happier. Hardly any bends. Fitments were Extremely Good from the Catback...However downpipe required a little creative work with a hammer near the ACD...After wrapping it with the exhaust wrap, it looks perfect.
Sound was ok. Had a little exhaust drone around 3500 RPM..Added a resonator on there for an extra 50 bucks shipped, tig welded and now it is just a little louder than stock...
If I have time, and with enough interests. I can take pictures and possibly even video.
Megan Racing, SSautochrome, and blah blah blah..They all came from the same places. All robotic tig welded...Full Stainless STeel.
P.S. And no, I am not affiliated with them or any vendors on here..Just a consumer who knows how to allocate funds to proper parts on my car.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWN%3AIT
I couldn't be MORE happier. Hardly any bends. Fitments were Extremely Good from the Catback...However downpipe required a little creative work with a hammer near the ACD...After wrapping it with the exhaust wrap, it looks perfect.
Sound was ok. Had a little exhaust drone around 3500 RPM..Added a resonator on there for an extra 50 bucks shipped, tig welded and now it is just a little louder than stock...
If I have time, and with enough interests. I can take pictures and possibly even video.
Megan Racing, SSautochrome, and blah blah blah..They all came from the same places. All robotic tig welded...Full Stainless STeel.
P.S. And no, I am not affiliated with them or any vendors on here..Just a consumer who knows how to allocate funds to proper parts on my car.
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
You are entitled to your opinion - as am I
At least here we can have this discussion without fear of being arrested and executed
At least here we can have this discussion without fear of being arrested and executed
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I stand by my opinion about the various ss autochrome, Authority, Agency power, Sumo, and Megan made in China or Tawian units
Last time I checked, Taiwan was a separate country. Maybe my geography is off?
I feel that they all lack the quality and perfromance capability of the Buschur Racing units and others made in the USA such as AMS for example
Originally Posted by deadbeatrec
i have met AL when i got my car tuned and dynoed in ct at Pruven, i can tell u that he is a great guy with much expierecne and knoledge under his belt. he has my respect and many others. i trust him in tuneing my car and i know he knows what he is doing. for all of u who are not tuned and are still talking s h i t to AL, i hope he remember ur screenames when u are looking for a tune.
AL u got my business and respect.
AL u got my business and respect.
TTP,
I did miss the picture you posted of the downpipe, I see the new one but must have missed the first.
The polishing of the tubing looks nice when it comes out of the box, no doubt about that. Polishing here in the US though is extremely expensive, atleast anywhere near us it is. Polishing something to install it underneath a car and let it get dirty to never be cleaned again is pointless to me. Heck most guys don't even both to wash the tip of the exhaust after it's on. It does look nice but you have to admit, it doesn't make much sense under the car.
We have no resonators (a muffler is a resonator if you care to call it that) in addition to the muffler. That was the point I was trying to make but I think you know that.
You also must have missed the point I was making about the downpipe and the tie bars. As you just pointed out the front motor mount makes a huge difference in the EVO. I know this as we make them motor mounts for the EVO too. Think about the difference that motor mount made in a relatively new car, now think about that same mount in a few more years. They not only become looser over time they actually depress and sag, this means that before it is over all 3" downpipes are going to interfer with the tie bars. Our downpipe also clears the tie bars I'm just not naive enough to think it is always going to clear, overtime.........
gkania,
I don't know if our exhaust will make more power over the Meagan. I ordered one to test it, discect it and see what it is. They are on back order. A Meagan dealer told me he is pretty sure our exhaust will outperform the Meagan but he feels the Meagan is a good product and has some other merits. I dont' know, won't speculate. I haven't seen any exhaust yet make MORE power than ours, I can say that.
forbidden color,
Honestly, I haven't come in and attacked anyone and I haven't said anything negative about Meagan's products. Not sure why you got so out of line with me. There is nothing made cheaper about our exhaust. First off if you think that robotic welding is more expensive than a skilled laborer in the USA then you are highly misaken. If you also want to talk about cheaper then please consider the cost of materials and labor in China, or wherever it is made. Case in point, the Ebay 02 housings that I promote. You can buy those for no more than $79. They work. I can't even have the flanges cut from 304 SS for that cost. Forget the polishing, welding, fitting etc. The materials while they may be quality on the Meagan, definetely cost a lot less where the system is built. We also use 3/8" thick SS laser cut flanges on our systems. There is a slip joint at the muffler and back of the cat. The system you are speaking of of ours must be fairly old. Also in our exhaust kits those band clamps are included at no extra charge in the price of the exhaust as is our high flow 3" cat, installation hardware, 02 sim and shipping.
Just making points about our system. I am not bashing the Meagan, it looks good, I have no experience with it.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
I did miss the picture you posted of the downpipe, I see the new one but must have missed the first.
The polishing of the tubing looks nice when it comes out of the box, no doubt about that. Polishing here in the US though is extremely expensive, atleast anywhere near us it is. Polishing something to install it underneath a car and let it get dirty to never be cleaned again is pointless to me. Heck most guys don't even both to wash the tip of the exhaust after it's on. It does look nice but you have to admit, it doesn't make much sense under the car.
We have no resonators (a muffler is a resonator if you care to call it that) in addition to the muffler. That was the point I was trying to make but I think you know that.
You also must have missed the point I was making about the downpipe and the tie bars. As you just pointed out the front motor mount makes a huge difference in the EVO. I know this as we make them motor mounts for the EVO too. Think about the difference that motor mount made in a relatively new car, now think about that same mount in a few more years. They not only become looser over time they actually depress and sag, this means that before it is over all 3" downpipes are going to interfer with the tie bars. Our downpipe also clears the tie bars I'm just not naive enough to think it is always going to clear, overtime.........
gkania,
I don't know if our exhaust will make more power over the Meagan. I ordered one to test it, discect it and see what it is. They are on back order. A Meagan dealer told me he is pretty sure our exhaust will outperform the Meagan but he feels the Meagan is a good product and has some other merits. I dont' know, won't speculate. I haven't seen any exhaust yet make MORE power than ours, I can say that.
forbidden color,
Honestly, I haven't come in and attacked anyone and I haven't said anything negative about Meagan's products. Not sure why you got so out of line with me. There is nothing made cheaper about our exhaust. First off if you think that robotic welding is more expensive than a skilled laborer in the USA then you are highly misaken. If you also want to talk about cheaper then please consider the cost of materials and labor in China, or wherever it is made. Case in point, the Ebay 02 housings that I promote. You can buy those for no more than $79. They work. I can't even have the flanges cut from 304 SS for that cost. Forget the polishing, welding, fitting etc. The materials while they may be quality on the Meagan, definetely cost a lot less where the system is built. We also use 3/8" thick SS laser cut flanges on our systems. There is a slip joint at the muffler and back of the cat. The system you are speaking of of ours must be fairly old. Also in our exhaust kits those band clamps are included at no extra charge in the price of the exhaust as is our high flow 3" cat, installation hardware, 02 sim and shipping.
Just making points about our system. I am not bashing the Meagan, it looks good, I have no experience with it.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
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Just as an aside
I am doing the beer can testing as I go here
I did one on the so called XS Power exhuast - country of origin unknown
Barely passed the beer can test
Next up tuning a HKS High Power - failed the beer can test - the very tip goes in about 1 mm and then its stuck
Have pictures of both will post later
I am doing the beer can testing as I go here
I did one on the so called XS Power exhuast - country of origin unknown
Barely passed the beer can test
Next up tuning a HKS High Power - failed the beer can test - the very tip goes in about 1 mm and then its stuck
Have pictures of both will post later
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
How is it that this big debate came about China and chinese products, the chinese economy when the Megan unit is Taiwan made?
Last time I checked, Taiwan was a separate country. Maybe my geography is off?
I think there is enough drama without dragging in another vendor's product that you do not run on your car nor does warrtalon.
Last time I checked, Taiwan was a separate country. Maybe my geography is off?
I think there is enough drama without dragging in another vendor's product that you do not run on your car nor does warrtalon.
FYI. . . .
In 1895, Taiwan, including the Pescadores, became a Japanese colony, a concession by the Qing Empire after it lost the First Sino-Japanese War. After Japan's defeat at the end of World War II in 1945, Allied Command ordered Japanese troops in Taiwan to surrender to the Republic of China (ROC) and the ROC has been the de facto ruler of Taiwan ever since. In 1949, upon losing the Chinese Civil War to the Communist Party of China, the ruling Kuomintang (KMT) of the Republic of China retreated from mainland China and moved the ROC government to Taipei, Taiwan's largest city, while continuing to claim sovereignty over all of China and Mongolia. On the mainland, the Communists established the People's Republic of China (PRC), claiming to be the sole representative of China including Taiwan and portraying the ROC government on Taiwan as an illegitimate entity.
Taiwan has been transformed into a major industrialized economy and is touted as one of the East Asian Tigers. Meanwhile, political reforms beginning in the late 1970s and continuing through the early 1990s liberalized the Republic of China from an authoritarian one-party state into a multiparty democracy. In 2000, the KMT's monopoly on power ended after the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) won the ROC presidency. Besides groups seeking the reunification of Taiwan with the mainland, there is a Taiwan independence movement that seeks to establish a Taiwanese republic. The competing claims over the future of Taiwan have made and continue to make Taiwan's political status a contentious issue. The number who answer favorably toward any particular resolution often changes depending on the particular wording of the question, illustrating the complexity of public opinion on the topic.
The political environment is complicated by the potential for military conflict should overt actions toward independence be taken. It is the policy of the PRC to reserve the right to "use force to ensure reunification" if peaceful reunification fails, and there are substantial military installations on the Fujian coast for this reason. In return, the US has provided military training and arms sales to the ROC. However, the United States has repeatedly stated that it does not condone the Taiwan independence movement, and furthermore that it does not support unilateral changes in the current status quo by either the ROC or PRC leadership.
The KMT supports the status quo for the indefinite future with the ultimate goal of reunification because unification under the current political climate in PRC is unacceptable to its members and the public. The DPP, which supports an independent Taiwan, supports the status quo because the risk of declaring independence and provoking mainland China is unacceptable to its members. However, both parties support taking active steps to advocate the ROC's participation in international organizations.
Taiwan has been transformed into a major industrialized economy and is touted as one of the East Asian Tigers. Meanwhile, political reforms beginning in the late 1970s and continuing through the early 1990s liberalized the Republic of China from an authoritarian one-party state into a multiparty democracy. In 2000, the KMT's monopoly on power ended after the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) won the ROC presidency. Besides groups seeking the reunification of Taiwan with the mainland, there is a Taiwan independence movement that seeks to establish a Taiwanese republic. The competing claims over the future of Taiwan have made and continue to make Taiwan's political status a contentious issue. The number who answer favorably toward any particular resolution often changes depending on the particular wording of the question, illustrating the complexity of public opinion on the topic.
The political environment is complicated by the potential for military conflict should overt actions toward independence be taken. It is the policy of the PRC to reserve the right to "use force to ensure reunification" if peaceful reunification fails, and there are substantial military installations on the Fujian coast for this reason. In return, the US has provided military training and arms sales to the ROC. However, the United States has repeatedly stated that it does not condone the Taiwan independence movement, and furthermore that it does not support unilateral changes in the current status quo by either the ROC or PRC leadership.
The KMT supports the status quo for the indefinite future with the ultimate goal of reunification because unification under the current political climate in PRC is unacceptable to its members and the public. The DPP, which supports an independent Taiwan, supports the status quo because the risk of declaring independence and provoking mainland China is unacceptable to its members. However, both parties support taking active steps to advocate the ROC's participation in international organizations.
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
gkania,
I don't know if our exhaust will make more power over the Meagan. I ordered one to test it, discect it and see what it is. They are on back order. A Meagan dealer told me he is pretty sure our exhaust will outperform the Meagan but he feels the Meagan is a good product and has some other merits. I dont' know, won't speculate. I haven't seen any exhaust yet make MORE power than ours, I can say that.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
I don't know if our exhaust will make more power over the Meagan. I ordered one to test it, discect it and see what it is. They are on back order. A Meagan dealer told me he is pretty sure our exhaust will outperform the Meagan but he feels the Meagan is a good product and has some other merits. I dont' know, won't speculate. I haven't seen any exhaust yet make MORE power than ours, I can say that.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Just as an aside
I am doing the beer can testing as I go here
I did one on the so called XS Power exhuast - country of origin unknown
Barely passed the beer can test
Next up tuning a HKS High Power - failed the beer can test - the very tip goes in about 1 mm and then its stuck
Have pictures of both will post later
I am doing the beer can testing as I go here
I did one on the so called XS Power exhuast - country of origin unknown
Barely passed the beer can test
Next up tuning a HKS High Power - failed the beer can test - the very tip goes in about 1 mm and then its stuck
Have pictures of both will post later
My money says the dyno test between the BR turbo back and MR turboback will be the same. The same as long as the testing is done fairly. If they are within 2 hp of each other, that is the same number IMO.
David, you should buy the Megan Racing from TTP, he evidently has some in stock as he posted the pictures of them.. He probably would make you a good deal on it. LOL
I have to admit it would be funny to see Al running a so called, "Chinese/Taiwan POS unit" on his car.
As far as ~3" exhaust goes nothing has been tested to beat the Greddy Racing Titanium exhaust, and nothing is lighter as well. 10 lbs for the whole catback. That is the "Japanese POS unit" that makes the power...... Unfortunately, the catback in more than BR full turboback....
Brian
David, you should buy the Megan Racing from TTP, he evidently has some in stock as he posted the pictures of them.. He probably would make you a good deal on it. LOL
I have to admit it would be funny to see Al running a so called, "Chinese/Taiwan POS unit" on his car.
As far as ~3" exhaust goes nothing has been tested to beat the Greddy Racing Titanium exhaust, and nothing is lighter as well. 10 lbs for the whole catback. That is the "Japanese POS unit" that makes the power...... Unfortunately, the catback in more than BR full turboback....
Brian
Originally Posted by TURBODAWG
My money says the dyno test between the BR turbo back and MR turboback will be the same. The same as long as the testing is done fairly. If they are within 2 hp of each other, that is the same number IMO.
David, you should buy the Megan Racing from TTP, he evidently has some in stock as he posted the pictures of them.. He probably would make you a good deal on it. LOL
I have to admit it would be funny to see Al running a so called, "Chinese/Taiwan POS unit" on his car.
As far as ~3" exhaust goes nothing has been tested to beat the Greddy Racing Titanium exhaust, and nothing is lighter as well. 10 lbs for the whole catback. That is the "Japanese POS unit" that makes the power...... Unfortunately, the catback in more than BR full turboback....
Brian
David, you should buy the Megan Racing from TTP, he evidently has some in stock as he posted the pictures of them.. He probably would make you a good deal on it. LOL
I have to admit it would be funny to see Al running a so called, "Chinese/Taiwan POS unit" on his car.
As far as ~3" exhaust goes nothing has been tested to beat the Greddy Racing Titanium exhaust, and nothing is lighter as well. 10 lbs for the whole catback. That is the "Japanese POS unit" that makes the power...... Unfortunately, the catback in more than BR full turboback....
Brian
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Originally Posted by TURBODAWG
My money says the dyno test between the BR turbo back and MR turboback will be the same. The same as long as the testing is done fairly. If they are within 2 hp of each other, that is the same number IMO.
David, you should buy the Megan Racing from TTP, he evidently has some in stock as he posted the pictures of them.. He probably would make you a good deal on it. LOL
I have to admit it would be funny to see Al running a so called, "Chinese/Taiwan POS unit" on his car.
As far as ~3" exhaust goes nothing has been tested to beat the Greddy Racing Titanium exhaust, and nothing is lighter as well. 10 lbs for the whole catback. That is the "Japanese POS unit" that makes the power...... Unfortunately, the catback in more than BR full turboback....
Brian
David, you should buy the Megan Racing from TTP, he evidently has some in stock as he posted the pictures of them.. He probably would make you a good deal on it. LOL
I have to admit it would be funny to see Al running a so called, "Chinese/Taiwan POS unit" on his car.
As far as ~3" exhaust goes nothing has been tested to beat the Greddy Racing Titanium exhaust, and nothing is lighter as well. 10 lbs for the whole catback. That is the "Japanese POS unit" that makes the power...... Unfortunately, the catback in more than BR full turboback....
Brian
However - when I examined it it also necked down at the cat - very sadly - I was shocked to see that such a lovely exhuast would get that treatment but I suspect there may be some JDM emissions regulations which require that in Japan as almost every JDM exhuast has the neck down feature