Megan Exhaust
That SUMO exhaust AL is talking about is probably the one i have. Its called TSUDDO. Should be equal to the megan exhaust. Very nice robotic welds and flex section. Sounds awesome too. Great fitment. Paid $800 shipped for the whole TBE catless with cel fix at Logic performance.
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
This whole buy US parts topic to support the US Aftermaket manufaturers is very far off topic - but just for kicks - here are the parts on my car
Buschur Exhuast
Buschur Race FMIC andupper fmic pipes
Buschur mini battery kit
Buschur / SMC alcohol injection kit
Precision fuel injectors
Garret GT42R turbo
Shearer turbo manifold
AMS Intake
Accufab TB
Hoosier tires
Eaton hoses and connectiors
Aeromotive pump and regulator
Tial wastegate and BOV
Pauter rods
Buschur Pistons
Ferrea Valves
AEM EMS
I have some UK parts also
Forge UNOS MBC
Forge Strut Bar
Forge header tank
Forge power steering tank
I also have a bit of JDM stuff
HKS Twin fire
Exeddy Triple Carbon Clutch
HKS cam gears
My main point is that I like to support the US aftermarket industry when ever I can to keep innovation and cutting edge going in the US
Buschur Exhuast
Buschur Race FMIC andupper fmic pipes
Buschur mini battery kit
Buschur / SMC alcohol injection kit
Precision fuel injectors
Garret GT42R turbo
Shearer turbo manifold
AMS Intake
Accufab TB
Hoosier tires
Eaton hoses and connectiors
Aeromotive pump and regulator
Tial wastegate and BOV
Pauter rods
Buschur Pistons
Ferrea Valves
AEM EMS
I have some UK parts also
Forge UNOS MBC
Forge Strut Bar
Forge header tank
Forge power steering tank
I also have a bit of JDM stuff
HKS Twin fire
Exeddy Triple Carbon Clutch
HKS cam gears
My main point is that I like to support the US aftermarket industry when ever I can to keep innovation and cutting edge going in the US
Even with all that, Your Cars:
WRX - 100% Japanese
EVO - 100% Japanese.
Maybe you should take other members on this forum's advice and buy a mustang or something.
Your whole argument or defending yourself is contradictory and pointless. But it's your opinion.
Maybe if you cared so much, you would support American Manufacturers and buy American made cars, where they're getting slammed by Japanese and European automotive manufacturers.
Go buy a Mustang
I buy Buschur parts, because it's simple and good. Not because it's American. Trust me, if some company in Mangolia made the same exact Exhaust as Buschur Racing for $200 cheaper, you think people will still buy BR exhaust?
It's just marketing and business. Not patriotism.
Last edited by forbidden color; Jan 19, 2006 at 08:59 AM.
OK I am only on Page 5 but what I can tell u right now is...... bye bye Dynoflash I was going to send u my ECU and buy some stuff from you guys but this post showed me how FULL of **** you Guys are, thank you have a nice day. Now i have to start all the way from the begining.
Originally Posted by MetalGear214
OK I am only on Page 5 but what I can tell u right now is...... bye bye Dynoflash I was going to send u my ECU and buy some stuff from you guys but this post showed me how FULL of **** you Guys are, thank you have a nice day. Now i have to start all the way from the begining.
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
From page 4.
Al you weight on our system that you stated at 23 pounds is for the TURBO back not the cat back. Our cat back is only 16 pounds. That is 20 pounds lighter than the stock catback.
We have absolutely NO reducers, resonators, baffles or anything else in our system to slow the flow down.
Al you weight on our system that you stated at 23 pounds is for the TURBO back not the cat back. Our cat back is only 16 pounds. That is 20 pounds lighter than the stock catback.
We have absolutely NO reducers, resonators, baffles or anything else in our system to slow the flow down.
The picture of the Meagan that you posted. Is that the picture of the actual EVO downpipe? If so appears to me to be 2.5-2.75" in the front before the flex, goes up to 3" and then back down to the smaller size again right before the cat flange. I am just judging this from the picture you posted.
Here it is again. If anything the flex section OPENS UP, not tapers, which is what is being implied.
3" mandrel bent 304 grade SS downpipe (standard)
3" high flow cat OR 3" offroad pipe (options)
3" mandrel bent 304 grade SS catback (standard)
3" BR lightweight race muffler or 3" Magnaflow muffler (options)
Shipping is included.
Installation kit is included.
Offroad pipe users also get the 02 mechanical fix
Price is $825 shipped.
3" high flow cat OR 3" offroad pipe (options)
3" mandrel bent 304 grade SS catback (standard)
3" BR lightweight race muffler or 3" Magnaflow muffler (options)
Shipping is included.
Installation kit is included.
Offroad pipe users also get the 02 mechanical fix
Price is $825 shipped.
Now something I'd like to point out. If you squeeze a 3" downpipe into an EVO through the stock lower tie bars it can be made to fit. I honestly feel though that anyone that buys a full 3" downpipe and keeps the tie bars should use or be supplied the spacers we make. We make a .400 thick 304 grade SS spacer for the tie bars. The downpipe will fit without it but as with any 3" downpipe it is my feeling that over the years as the motor mounts wear and sag ALL 3" downpipes that don't use a spacer are going to hit. We include them. The Buick Grand Nationals are a perfect example of this happening. That is why you can't find a passenger side inner fender well for one anymore. They were burnt up from 3" downpipes and replaced.
You ppl just don't get it, do you?
Arguing with Al is like arguing with a parrot: all you get back in response to your comments and questions are barely intelligible paraphrases and a lot of gibberish.
IMO, the first ten posts in this thread sum up the issue perfectly.
l8r)
Arguing with Al is like arguing with a parrot: all you get back in response to your comments and questions are barely intelligible paraphrases and a lot of gibberish.
IMO, the first ten posts in this thread sum up the issue perfectly.
l8r)
i have met AL when i got my car tuned and dynoed in ct at Pruven, i can tell u that he is a great guy with much expierecne and knoledge under his belt. he has my respect and many others. i trust him in tuneing my car and i know he knows what he is doing. for all of u who are not tuned and are still talking s h i t to AL, i hope he remember ur screenames when u are looking for a tune.
AL u got my business and respect.
AL u got my business and respect.
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Thanks man - - but seriously lets keep this conversation on topic
It seems that Megan is changing its products which is great
They even have an outdated photo on their OWN Megan web site
For those who like to go with Chinese and Taiwan parts - thats your call
I don't have to drive a Mustang to make the point that I prefer US parts where available
This is my own personal choice and prefernce
If others just care who supplies the cheapest goods regardless of how they are made and if they are poluting rivers and lakes to make them - then its your perogative
It seems that Megan is changing its products which is great
They even have an outdated photo on their OWN Megan web site
For those who like to go with Chinese and Taiwan parts - thats your call
I don't have to drive a Mustang to make the point that I prefer US parts where available
This is my own personal choice and prefernce
If others just care who supplies the cheapest goods regardless of how they are made and if they are poluting rivers and lakes to make them - then its your perogative
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
From page 4.
Al you weight on our system that you stated at 23 pounds is for the TURBO back not the cat back. Our cat back is only 16 pounds. That is 20 pounds lighter than the stock catback.
We have absolutely NO reducers, resonators, baffles or anything else in our system to slow the flow down.
The picture of the Meagan that you posted. Is that the picture of the actual EVO downpipe? If so appears to me to be 2.5-2.75" in the front before the flex, goes up to 3" and then back down to the smaller size again right before the cat flange. I am just judging this from the picture you posted.
To answer another question. We do offer an offroad pipe with out system for off road use. I think the point Al was trying to make is below are the options you can get and they are all at the same price:
3" mandrel bent 304 grade SS downpipe (standard)
3" high flow cat OR 3" offroad pipe (options)
3" mandrel bent 304 grade SS catback (standard)
3" BR lightweight race muffler or 3" Magnaflow muffler (options)
Shipping is included.
Installation kit is included.
Offroad pipe users also get the 02 mechanical fix
Price is $825 shipped.
Now something I'd like to point out. If you squeeze a 3" downpipe into an EVO through the stock lower tie bars it can be made to fit. I honestly feel though that anyone that buys a full 3" downpipe and keeps the tie bars should use or be supplied the spacers we make. We make a .400 thick 304 grade SS spacer for the tie bars. The downpipe will fit without it but as with any 3" downpipe it is my feeling that over the years as the motor mounts wear and sag ALL 3" downpipes that don't use a spacer are going to hit. We include them. The Buick Grand Nationals are a perfect example of this happening. That is why you can't find a passenger side inner fender well for one anymore. They were burnt up from 3" downpipes and replaced.
Thank you,
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Al you weight on our system that you stated at 23 pounds is for the TURBO back not the cat back. Our cat back is only 16 pounds. That is 20 pounds lighter than the stock catback.
We have absolutely NO reducers, resonators, baffles or anything else in our system to slow the flow down.
The picture of the Meagan that you posted. Is that the picture of the actual EVO downpipe? If so appears to me to be 2.5-2.75" in the front before the flex, goes up to 3" and then back down to the smaller size again right before the cat flange. I am just judging this from the picture you posted.
To answer another question. We do offer an offroad pipe with out system for off road use. I think the point Al was trying to make is below are the options you can get and they are all at the same price:
3" mandrel bent 304 grade SS downpipe (standard)
3" high flow cat OR 3" offroad pipe (options)
3" mandrel bent 304 grade SS catback (standard)
3" BR lightweight race muffler or 3" Magnaflow muffler (options)
Shipping is included.
Installation kit is included.
Offroad pipe users also get the 02 mechanical fix
Price is $825 shipped.
Now something I'd like to point out. If you squeeze a 3" downpipe into an EVO through the stock lower tie bars it can be made to fit. I honestly feel though that anyone that buys a full 3" downpipe and keeps the tie bars should use or be supplied the spacers we make. We make a .400 thick 304 grade SS spacer for the tie bars. The downpipe will fit without it but as with any 3" downpipe it is my feeling that over the years as the motor mounts wear and sag ALL 3" downpipes that don't use a spacer are going to hit. We include them. The Buick Grand Nationals are a perfect example of this happening. That is why you can't find a passenger side inner fender well for one anymore. They were burnt up from 3" downpipes and replaced.
Thank you,
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
The weight/price was not really my issue with Al, I'm not real sure how much the Megan pipe weighs, maybe ttp can chime in with that, really doesnt matter to me. My only question, which he could not answer, I am now posing to you. Do you honestly believe that Warrtalon will make an extra ten horsepower by JUST bolting on your exhaust?
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From: GA
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
If others just care who supplies the cheapest goods regardless of how they are made and if they are poluting rivers and lakes to make them - then its your perogative
I think everyone everyone sees how ignorant and bias you are due to this fact.
Al's basically saying anything not made in USA is cheap and crap. Which TTP guy is trying to prove to you that it's not.
If you think about it, Buschur exhaust is made way cheaper than Megan Exhaust, since BR bypass the computer welding, sectional connectors, and flex section (which helps engine flex).
BR Exhaust is basically a straight pipe with $7 pipe connector (which BR sells for $15) and a muffler from magnaflow (which used to be a company that was in the same range with APC back in the days).
Also, when you make a statement, maybe you could back them up. "polluting the lakes and river?" Can you prove that Megan or any other companies do this?
What do you think your personal car (Evo) is doing? Making flowers and solving green house effect?
maybe you do need to drive a mustang, since your intelligence falls in that groups range.
But I have BR exhaust and honestly, I have it because of the Magnaflow muffler.
You could custom fabricate a TBE with about $300 less than what Buschur sells their exhaust for with a magnaflow muffler.
Last edited by forbidden color; Jan 19, 2006 at 10:17 AM.
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Al:
I've had my issues with you in the past, but I couldn't agree with you more in this case. There is certainly nothing wrong with purchasing American goods simply because they are American. Likewise, there is nothing wrong with using your buying power to express your patriotism; this IS America, and we should all be grateful that we have the right to choose whichever goods or services we do or do not want. I personally tend to purchase the best quality parts relative to their price, regardless of their origin. For those you find some hypocricy in leaning tword buying American parts for a Japanese car, that's fair enough.
There is however something wrong with bashing a vendor or product without cause, which is what you did. A POS product isn't a POS because it was made somewhere else. The mustangII and pacer were made in Michigan, after all. In this instance at least, you showed a lack of responsibility. Stuff like this might eventually damage your credibility, and that of those who affiliate themselves with you. Just apologize and move on. That's responsibility.
As far as China engaging in unfair trade practices, that's true. However, China is a communist country. They don't have a free-market economy. American industry is, in my opinion, better off with how things are now. You say China is wrong for failing to allow the open market to value its currency, but can you imagine what that would do to our trade defict? If you bought a steak knife that was made in China and didn't like the quality, would you show your displeasure by stabbing yourself with it?
Sorry for the rant..
-Doug
I've had my issues with you in the past, but I couldn't agree with you more in this case. There is certainly nothing wrong with purchasing American goods simply because they are American. Likewise, there is nothing wrong with using your buying power to express your patriotism; this IS America, and we should all be grateful that we have the right to choose whichever goods or services we do or do not want. I personally tend to purchase the best quality parts relative to their price, regardless of their origin. For those you find some hypocricy in leaning tword buying American parts for a Japanese car, that's fair enough.
There is however something wrong with bashing a vendor or product without cause, which is what you did. A POS product isn't a POS because it was made somewhere else. The mustangII and pacer were made in Michigan, after all. In this instance at least, you showed a lack of responsibility. Stuff like this might eventually damage your credibility, and that of those who affiliate themselves with you. Just apologize and move on. That's responsibility.
As far as China engaging in unfair trade practices, that's true. However, China is a communist country. They don't have a free-market economy. American industry is, in my opinion, better off with how things are now. You say China is wrong for failing to allow the open market to value its currency, but can you imagine what that would do to our trade defict? If you bought a steak knife that was made in China and didn't like the quality, would you show your displeasure by stabbing yourself with it?
Sorry for the rant..
-Doug
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Forbidden Color:
You obviously do not have enough on the ball to participate in this type of discourse. Your comments referencing "white people" and half-witted patriotism were patently stupid. Maybe you should change your screen name to
"Inferiority Complex".
Here's what you've got working for you:
-your intellect is not up to the task of allowing you to realize how stupid you really sound.
Here's what you have working against you:
-Darwinism. Future generations of Evo owners talking about the new Evo XL won't have to worry about listening to people like you. You will have found a way to save us the trouble by making yourself extinct. Fool.
-Doug
You obviously do not have enough on the ball to participate in this type of discourse. Your comments referencing "white people" and half-witted patriotism were patently stupid. Maybe you should change your screen name to
"Inferiority Complex".
Here's what you've got working for you:
-your intellect is not up to the task of allowing you to realize how stupid you really sound.
Here's what you have working against you:
-Darwinism. Future generations of Evo owners talking about the new Evo XL won't have to worry about listening to people like you. You will have found a way to save us the trouble by making yourself extinct. Fool.
-Doug
From page 7,
TTP, the statement about the downpipes and such breaking isn't correct in my experience, not starting a pissing match. I have personally been building exhausts for DSM's/EVO's now for atleast 10-12 years. I have yet to see one of OUR downpipes break from any engine movement. I have seen another companies downpipes break that we use to carry but even that was a VERY rare occurence.
I ordered a Meagan turbo back for testing. I guess they are on back order right now.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
TTP, the statement about the downpipes and such breaking isn't correct in my experience, not starting a pissing match. I have personally been building exhausts for DSM's/EVO's now for atleast 10-12 years. I have yet to see one of OUR downpipes break from any engine movement. I have seen another companies downpipes break that we use to carry but even that was a VERY rare occurence.
I ordered a Meagan turbo back for testing. I guess they are on back order right now.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by Piper
Al:
I've had my issues with you in the past, but I couldn't agree with you more in this case. There is certainly nothing wrong with purchasing American goods simply because they are American. Likewise, there is nothing wrong with using your buying power to express your patriotism; this IS America, and we should all be grateful that we have the right to choose whichever goods or services we do or do not want. I personally tend to purchase the best quality parts relative to their price, regardless of their origin. For those you find some hypocricy in leaning tword buying American parts for a Japanese car, that's fair enough.
There is however something wrong with bashing a vendor or product without cause, which is what you did. A POS product isn't a POS because it was made somewhere else. The mustangII and pacer were made in Michigan, after all. In this instance at least, you showed a lack of responsibility. Stuff like this might eventually damage your credibility, and that of those who affiliate themselves with you. Just apologize and move on. That's responsibility.
As far as China engaging in unfair trade practices, that's true. However, China is a communist country. They don't have a free-market economy. American industry is, in my opinion, better off with how things are now. You say China is wrong for failing to allow the open market to value its currency, but can you imagine what that would do to our trade defict? If you bought a steak knife that was made in China and didn't like the quality, would you show your displeasure by stabbing yourself with it?
Sorry for the rant..
-Doug
I've had my issues with you in the past, but I couldn't agree with you more in this case. There is certainly nothing wrong with purchasing American goods simply because they are American. Likewise, there is nothing wrong with using your buying power to express your patriotism; this IS America, and we should all be grateful that we have the right to choose whichever goods or services we do or do not want. I personally tend to purchase the best quality parts relative to their price, regardless of their origin. For those you find some hypocricy in leaning tword buying American parts for a Japanese car, that's fair enough.
There is however something wrong with bashing a vendor or product without cause, which is what you did. A POS product isn't a POS because it was made somewhere else. The mustangII and pacer were made in Michigan, after all. In this instance at least, you showed a lack of responsibility. Stuff like this might eventually damage your credibility, and that of those who affiliate themselves with you. Just apologize and move on. That's responsibility.
As far as China engaging in unfair trade practices, that's true. However, China is a communist country. They don't have a free-market economy. American industry is, in my opinion, better off with how things are now. You say China is wrong for failing to allow the open market to value its currency, but can you imagine what that would do to our trade defict? If you bought a steak knife that was made in China and didn't like the quality, would you show your displeasure by stabbing yourself with it?
Sorry for the rant..
-Doug