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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 03:54 PM
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O.K. now for just some "fixes".

Al and I talk alot. My memory is horrible so sometimes I post or talk without getting in all the facts. I hate to see me in another 10 years, probably won't remember my own name

Anyway, today, my brother Dan. This car is a bone stock head, shortblock, intake and throttle body. The car made 302 whp. I somehow thought this wasn't that great. Well Al reminded me that the stroker engine of Philly's that we I just tuned with an AEM EMS and a STROKER engine only made 305 whp. Hmmm.....he's right. The power of the flash These were both on 93-94 octane fuels at similar <22 psi boost levels, both with 20g-9's.

Then he pointed out that the EVO9 I was disanpointed in made 290 whp with stock cams and a less than 2.5" muffler on it with the 20g-9. Very true again. Power of the flash

Then he pointed out that we never got a chance to finish Trent's car as about the time we got started I told Trent to pull his car off the dyno so we could start on the dyno appointments and our customers. Then we loaded it back on late Saturday night and Al was going to lean on the car more to see if we could get close to 365 whp. My dyno screwed up. For some reason it started putting numbers out that were over double what they should have been. It was late, I was getting pissed off and I said, "That's it, let's go home." Seems I forgot about that too......sorry Al.

Then I just read about the other car I was disapointed in and thought maybe it was the other companies catback that was on the car. Seems as though that car, which I was disapointed in, also came down to something else. Very glad to hear that one, another reason not to use a resonator!

Tomorrow I am going to pull the ECU out of Trent's car and send it to Al. He is going to load a tune in it so we can put it back in and see how much power the car will make. I will post those results.

I also will get some dyno sheets up here of various cars for you guys to view. Just have to get a few minutes. I am very busy putting my tube chassis Eclipse back together so John Shepherd can pick it up this week.

As I have said before the flash that Al does is the best choice for 99% of the people out there. He spends all the time needed to get it perfect.

Maybe next time we will try to come up with a "check over" package that anyone wants to have their car gone over first we can do that for a small fee. Compression and boost leak checks. Fresh spark plugs gapped properly etc. If you guys are interested in something like this let me know.

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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 04:16 PM
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 05:43 PM
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
O.K. now for just some "fixes".

Al and I talk alot. My memory is horrible so sometimes I post or talk without getting in all the facts. I hate to see me in another 10 years, probably won't remember my own name

Anyway, today, my brother Dan. This car is a bone stock head, shortblock, intake and throttle body. The car made 302 whp. I somehow thought this wasn't that great. Well Al reminded me that the stroker engine of Philly's that we I just tuned with an AEM EMS and a STROKER engine only made 305 whp. Hmmm.....he's right. The power of the flash These were both on 93-94 octane fuels at similar <22 psi boost levels, both with 20g-9's.

Then he pointed out that the EVO9 I was disanpointed in made 290 whp with stock cams and a less than 2.5" muffler on it with the 20g-9. Very true again. Power of the flash

Then he pointed out that we never got a chance to finish Trent's car as about the time we got started I told Trent to pull his car off the dyno so we could start on the dyno appointments and our customers. Then we loaded it back on late Saturday night and Al was going to lean on the car more to see if we could get close to 365 whp. My dyno screwed up. For some reason it started putting numbers out that were over double what they should have been. It was late, I was getting pissed off and I said, "That's it, let's go home." Seems I forgot about that too......sorry Al.

Then I just read about the other car I was disapointed in and thought maybe it was the other companies catback that was on the car. Seems as though that car, which I was disapointed in, also came down to something else. Very glad to hear that one, another reason not to use a resonator!

Tomorrow I am going to pull the ECU out of Trent's car and send it to Al. He is going to load a tune in it so we can put it back in and see how much power the car will make. I will post those results.

I also will get some dyno sheets up here of various cars for you guys to view. Just have to get a few minutes. I am very busy putting my tube chassis Eclipse back together so John Shepherd can pick it up this week.

As I have said before the flash that Al does is the best choice for 99% of the people out there. He spends all the time needed to get it perfect.

Maybe next time we will try to come up with a "check over" package that anyone wants to have their car gone over first we can do that for a small fee. Compression and boost leak checks. Fresh spark plugs gapped properly etc. If you guys are interested in something like this let me know.

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www.buschurracing.com

David, when you have a chance please post the dyno sheets as I feel they speak very favorably for the IX 20G turbo

I think that with many things in life you can look at the glass as half full of half empty and the results of this weekend are a mixed bag

Your dyno is a "heart breaker" or so they say and this can work against you also when the numbers dont seem as high as they could be

from my perspective the numbers on Trent's car - 333 whp if I recall correctly on a pump gas tune on race gas were the most i have seen on ANY stockish turbo car at your dyno and I have been there a few times. I know that evos can go 11's with about 280-290 whp on your dyno - (if not less) - so 333 whp should be good for a mid to low 11 second pass. I think this is a good showing on a stock motor 2.0 L and i am sure it had another 20 whp in it tuned leaner and with some timing adjustments.

Dan Buschur's car was set to be a weak conservative tune by the direction of Dan who already has a race evo and wanted a 100% reliable street car on pump gas. I have not seen any other evos with stockish turbos approaching 305 whp on pump gas on your dyno and I would say that his car is a 11 second evo with his pump gas tune - again to me a good showing for the IX-20g turbo.

Member CFDfireman1 made a very disapointing amount of power with his new 20G IX turbo after making 350 plus whp on my road tune as measured on AMS awd dyno - however - his wastegate actuator was obviously mis-adjusted and the car was too hot to wrench on it and fix it. it is hard to test a turbo if the wastgate is open. This is one of the problems of dyno days that there is no time to fix things that need fixing. I am confident that his car will make more power when he comes back in March.

The evo IX that had the 20G upgarde also had stock cams and a tiny 2.5 " hks muffler grafted onto it and still made 290 whp with pump gas tune. The car was amazing on the road. I was very pleased with the power and would have expected at least 300 or so with a proper 3" muffler - not bad for a car with no cams IMHO - thats 20 whp over the normal evo IX teste don the same dyno which had a full 3" system.

Just chill's car ran nice but did not eclipse his old numbers from his last trip. However - his breather tube was blowing oil mist and his motor felt "tired" with 47,000 hard miles. it is possible he developed some blow by since his last time at the dyno - without a compression test its hard to tell.

I have enough Evo experience to know the IX 20G is an amazing surge free stock bolt on turbo option. I predict we will see huge gains from it in future weeks when we have the opportunity to try it on a wider range of cars.

Already this weekend I see the tunes making more power in your dyno than any other stock ish turbos did in the past.

I would like to have you post Dan's dyno sheet - I think the picture will save a 1,000 words trying to explain why I love that turbo
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Your dyno is a "heart breaker" or so they say and this can work against you also when the numbers dont seem as high as they could be
I guess we can call David's a "moon dyno" too.

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Old Feb 7, 2006 | 05:33 AM
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Old Feb 7, 2006 | 06:35 AM
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I agree Al, also apologize to you for being absent minded and looking for the negatives as you are correct.

Justchil, I think I remember seeing a Twin Power ignition on your car, right? If so you really shouldn't have to run the spark plug gap so tight.

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Old Feb 7, 2006 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
I agree Al, also apologize to you for being absent minded and looking for the negatives as you are correct.

Justchil, I think I remember seeing a Twin Power ignition on your car, right? If so you really shouldn't have to run the spark plug gap so tight.

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That was probably my fault Dave, as I am always so negative. My car was the first on the dyno and made 275hp and 271 tq with my mods, and you had to convince me that was pretty good on your dyno, which I admit it is after looking at all the dyno plots and numbers I have seen on here.
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Old Feb 7, 2006 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Event-Horizon
I guess we can call David's a "moon dyno" too.
No David's is the "heart breaker" dyno

Ther other one is still the "moon dyno"
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Old Feb 10, 2006 | 05:34 AM
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Old Feb 10, 2006 | 06:40 AM
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Not that anyone cares but I'm still having issues. I took out the BR7ES's that were gapped to .025 and put in some BPR7ES gapped at .026-27. No problem for 3 days on pump gas.

Today I put in 5 gallons of 100 octane and turned boost up to about 26psi. Miss is back. around 5000-6000 the car just falls on its face. I've never had to regap for race gas after adding the DL2 but maybe this is my problem.

Can anyone recommend a good way to troubleshoot this problem?
junk the BPR7's.. they crapped on me twice in 6 months..

use this .. lasted me for 2 years

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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 11:53 AM
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 11:56 AM
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Mass air overrun maybe?

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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 12:02 PM
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 12:06 PM
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huh?
Flowing more air than the mass air can "read". I ran into it with dsm's. Just throwing out an idea, not sure if it is relevant or not

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