20G-9 from buschur.
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
I have the 20g-9-5 back on the car again and have sent the other turbo to FP to have the wheel upgraded to the 5 bladed wheel.
With this bit of information I think come summer time and longer, hotter pulls that the difference in air temps between these two wheels is going to become very important.
I will upgrade anyone with our 20g-9 6 bladed wheel to our 5 bladed wheel for absolutely free. I'll even cover the shipping. There are only 7 of you out there. If you'd like to take me up on the offer just call and we'll have you drop ship the turbo and get it taken care of for you.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
How about the poor SOB that bought the last 20G 8 on 12/23/05 and wasn't aware of and wasn't told by JRod about the extent of the surge problem then drove 650 miles round trip in a snow storm on 2/4/06 to get tuned at your shop only to be told his actuator wasn't adjusted properly or that he needed the HD actuator and that the car couldn't be tuned?
fury,
As for the questions you asked. FP can turn the turbo you bought into an EVO9 WR. He will NOT duplicate the turbo he is making for me though, for you. The larger compressor cover is more efficient than the smaller EVO8 cover, that's why Mitsubishi changed it. The cover on the EVO9 is actually very close in size to the old TD06 20G compressor cover.
The cam choice I don't recommend based on turbo. I recommend a cam based on your tolerance in a daily driven street car and what you are tuning the combination with. Generally HKS 272's are best for a daily driver with no headaches.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
As for the questions you asked. FP can turn the turbo you bought into an EVO9 WR. He will NOT duplicate the turbo he is making for me though, for you. The larger compressor cover is more efficient than the smaller EVO8 cover, that's why Mitsubishi changed it. The cover on the EVO9 is actually very close in size to the old TD06 20G compressor cover.
The cam choice I don't recommend based on turbo. I recommend a cam based on your tolerance in a daily driven street car and what you are tuning the combination with. Generally HKS 272's are best for a daily driver with no headaches.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
cfdfireman1,
Well what would I say, probably the same thing I said on the dyno day. You are here on EVOM and it was posted in probably a hundred different post before 12-23-05 that the EVO8 turbos surged. The worste surging turbo I have ever seen in my entire life BTW is a factory built TME, so surging isn't just a product of our 20G.
I'd also say that it was very late by the time you were dyno'd and the actuator being too loose and such isn't my fault. When we have time we try to fix problems we find, in the case of your car, there was no time left. I know Al offered to give you a free tune next time he is in the Chicago area and you have the problems sorted out.
I also stood right next to your car on the dyno and could hear the surging, it was extremely minor, extremely minor. A GT3071 surges as much as your car does.
Just so you know if I seem to be coming across a little "rude" I am trying to match the tone that you put in your post.
The EVO8 20G's can be upgraded to the new 20g-9-5's for $950.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Well what would I say, probably the same thing I said on the dyno day. You are here on EVOM and it was posted in probably a hundred different post before 12-23-05 that the EVO8 turbos surged. The worste surging turbo I have ever seen in my entire life BTW is a factory built TME, so surging isn't just a product of our 20G.
I'd also say that it was very late by the time you were dyno'd and the actuator being too loose and such isn't my fault. When we have time we try to fix problems we find, in the case of your car, there was no time left. I know Al offered to give you a free tune next time he is in the Chicago area and you have the problems sorted out.
I also stood right next to your car on the dyno and could hear the surging, it was extremely minor, extremely minor. A GT3071 surges as much as your car does.
Just so you know if I seem to be coming across a little "rude" I am trying to match the tone that you put in your post.
The EVO8 20G's can be upgraded to the new 20g-9-5's for $950.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by cfdfireman1
David,
How about the poor SOB that bought the last 20G 8 on 12/23/05 and wasn't aware of and wasn't told by JRod about the extent of the surge problem then drove 650 miles round trip in a snow storm on 2/4/06 to get tuned at your shop only to be told his actuator wasn't adjusted properly or that he needed the HD actuator and that the car couldn't be tuned?
How about the poor SOB that bought the last 20G 8 on 12/23/05 and wasn't aware of and wasn't told by JRod about the extent of the surge problem then drove 650 miles round trip in a snow storm on 2/4/06 to get tuned at your shop only to be told his actuator wasn't adjusted properly or that he needed the HD actuator and that the car couldn't be tuned?
By the way.
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
cfdfireman1,
Well what would I say, probably the same thing I said on the dyno day. You are here on EVOM and it was posted in probably a hundred different post before 12-23-05 that the EVO8 turbos surged. The worste surging turbo I have ever seen in my entire life BTW is a factory built TME, so surging isn't just a product of our 20G.
I'd also say that it was very late by the time you were dyno'd and the actuator being too loose and such isn't my fault. When we have time we try to fix problems we find, in the case of your car, there was no time left. I know Al offered to give you a free tune next time he is in the Chicago area and you have the problems sorted out.
I also stood right next to your car on the dyno and could hear the surging, it was extremely minor, extremely minor. A GT3071 surges as much as your car does.
Just so you know if I seem to be coming across a little "rude" I am trying to match the tone that you put in your post.
The EVO8 20G's can be upgraded to the new 20g-9-5's for $950.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Well what would I say, probably the same thing I said on the dyno day. You are here on EVOM and it was posted in probably a hundred different post before 12-23-05 that the EVO8 turbos surged. The worste surging turbo I have ever seen in my entire life BTW is a factory built TME, so surging isn't just a product of our 20G.
I'd also say that it was very late by the time you were dyno'd and the actuator being too loose and such isn't my fault. When we have time we try to fix problems we find, in the case of your car, there was no time left. I know Al offered to give you a free tune next time he is in the Chicago area and you have the problems sorted out.
I also stood right next to your car on the dyno and could hear the surging, it was extremely minor, extremely minor. A GT3071 surges as much as your car does.
Just so you know if I seem to be coming across a little "rude" I am trying to match the tone that you put in your post.
The EVO8 20G's can be upgraded to the new 20g-9-5's for $950.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
From the BR website.
https://secure.buschurracing.com/cat...roducts_id=719
""Convert Evo 8 20G into Evo 9 20G $750.00
This service is done when you send in your BR Evo 8 20G and have it converted into a BR 20G-9 turbo.
This product was added to our catalog on Monday 27 February, 2006.""
Last edited by cfdfireman1; Mar 16, 2006 at 06:57 PM.
Yes, see you saw the post. The road racer story about my car is the same turbo you have.
Also, what a TME turbo or GT3071 has to do with this is a TME turbo right out of the box new from Mitsubishi surges 5 times worse than the EVO8 20G does. The point of the GT3071 is it surges as bad as your car did on the dyno. So coming at me busting my ***** and claiming you didn't know about the turbo (which apparently you did as you seem to recal the story about the road racer pretty well) isn't going to go very far. My point of it is people a bunch smarter than I am have built turbos that surge worse, Mitsubishi and Garrett.
I also thought I recalled that the turbo you have was actually bought used, wasn't it?
I found NEW Improved Nyquil, Crest, Axe and Benadryl in my medicine cabinet tonight, you know if never crossed my mind once to bust the ***** of any of those companies and ask for money back or to exchange my old stuff for new.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Also, what a TME turbo or GT3071 has to do with this is a TME turbo right out of the box new from Mitsubishi surges 5 times worse than the EVO8 20G does. The point of the GT3071 is it surges as bad as your car did on the dyno. So coming at me busting my ***** and claiming you didn't know about the turbo (which apparently you did as you seem to recal the story about the road racer pretty well) isn't going to go very far. My point of it is people a bunch smarter than I am have built turbos that surge worse, Mitsubishi and Garrett.
I also thought I recalled that the turbo you have was actually bought used, wasn't it?
I found NEW Improved Nyquil, Crest, Axe and Benadryl in my medicine cabinet tonight, you know if never crossed my mind once to bust the ***** of any of those companies and ask for money back or to exchange my old stuff for new.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
trinydex,
You know me, he might already have a WR
They surge too.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
You know me, he might already have a WR
They surge too.David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
David, I just installed your 20g-9 last week and I can't get it to boost any lower than 24 psi. I have the regular wastegate, and I turned the rod as long as I could before it started becoming loose. Any ideas would be great. Thanks
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
trinydex,
You know me, he might already have a WR They surge too.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
You know me, he might already have a WR
They surge too.David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by cfdfireman1
From the BR website.
https://secure.buschurracing.com/cat...roducts_id=719
""Convert Evo 8 20G into Evo 9 20G $750.00
This service is done when you send in your BR Evo 8 20G and have it converted into a BR 20G-9 turbo.
This product was added to our catalog on Monday 27 February, 2006.""
There are over 2,300,000 posts on EVOM. I'm sorry that I missed the posts that would have changed my mind about buying the turbo. Going back now and looking at more posts I think it would have been nice for your salespeople to have warned me about the 20g-8-6. They didn’t know me from Adam or whether or not I had ever seen EVOM.
I do remember reading a post or two by Al saying this was a very good turbo and I think he recommended it to someone. And another post by you saying that you had somebody drive your car that was interested in using the turbo for road racing. You said that you had never noticed the surging before that ride and that at least 5 or 6 other people had driven your car and you or they had never notice the surging before. Was this the same turbo I bought?
What seems like an “extremely minor, extremely minor” surge on the dyno translates into driving hell for me. I don’t think that opening the throttle more than half way without flooring it at 3500 RPM in forth gear is too much to ask of a turbo.
What does a factory built TME or or a GT3071 have to do with anything?
https://secure.buschurracing.com/cat...roducts_id=719
""Convert Evo 8 20G into Evo 9 20G $750.00
This service is done when you send in your BR Evo 8 20G and have it converted into a BR 20G-9 turbo.
This product was added to our catalog on Monday 27 February, 2006.""
There are over 2,300,000 posts on EVOM. I'm sorry that I missed the posts that would have changed my mind about buying the turbo. Going back now and looking at more posts I think it would have been nice for your salespeople to have warned me about the 20g-8-6. They didn’t know me from Adam or whether or not I had ever seen EVOM.
I do remember reading a post or two by Al saying this was a very good turbo and I think he recommended it to someone. And another post by you saying that you had somebody drive your car that was interested in using the turbo for road racing. You said that you had never noticed the surging before that ride and that at least 5 or 6 other people had driven your car and you or they had never notice the surging before. Was this the same turbo I bought?
What seems like an “extremely minor, extremely minor” surge on the dyno translates into driving hell for me. I don’t think that opening the throttle more than half way without flooring it at 3500 RPM in forth gear is too much to ask of a turbo.
What does a factory built TME or or a GT3071 have to do with anything?
-Paul
Originally Posted by PVD04
What diverter valve do you have on your car? I had a similar problem with my stock turbo while using the older-style Forge DV. Any time I went part throttle at low RPM I had terrible surge. I ended up going back to the stock DV and haven't had a problem since. Just a thought.
-Paul
-Paul
Been there done that. Buschurs solution to the problem was to put the stock DV back on. Same thing as my Greddy RS that is adjusted properly but without the boost holding.
Originally Posted by cfdfireman1
Yes I saw the post and I believed your story about not even noticing the surge until you got in the car with the road racer even after having had several other people drive your car. I guess if somebody tells you how honest they are often enough you start to believe them.
If 2 other turbos are worse than the 20g-8-6 you sold me, that makes my 20g-8-6 GOOD?? And no, I didn’t buy this thing thinking it would shake me out of my car
I didn’t think the turbo you sold me was used but now that you mention it I did notice a little carbon and some dirty oil on it when I opened the box that said BUSCHUR on it. Check your receipts for 12/14/05. Tell me how many of the Bushur group still have a 20g-8-6 on there own cars
I’m still curious why you feel the need to.
““I will upgrade anyone with our 20g-9 6 bladed wheel to our 5 bladed wheel for absolutely free. I'll even cover the shipping. There are only 7 of you out there. If you'd like to take me up on the offer just call and we'll have you drop ship the turbo and get it taken care of for you.””
But you’re willing to leave me out in the cold when your guy knew full well that the 20g-8-6 was inferior and not much cheaper than the 9 but sold it to me anyway without any difficulty.
If 2 other turbos are worse than the 20g-8-6 you sold me, that makes my 20g-8-6 GOOD?? And no, I didn’t buy this thing thinking it would shake me out of my car
I didn’t think the turbo you sold me was used but now that you mention it I did notice a little carbon and some dirty oil on it when I opened the box that said BUSCHUR on it. Check your receipts for 12/14/05. Tell me how many of the Bushur group still have a 20g-8-6 on there own cars
I’m still curious why you feel the need to.
““I will upgrade anyone with our 20g-9 6 bladed wheel to our 5 bladed wheel for absolutely free. I'll even cover the shipping. There are only 7 of you out there. If you'd like to take me up on the offer just call and we'll have you drop ship the turbo and get it taken care of for you.””
But you’re willing to leave me out in the cold when your guy knew full well that the 20g-8-6 was inferior and not much cheaper than the 9 but sold it to me anyway without any difficulty.
Why is he upgrading people from the 6 wheel to the 5 wheel? I am not sure which mine is, I guess I'll have to look.
cuz he no longer wants anything to do with turbochargers.com? i thinks thats why.
i wonder what the specs on the proprietary br20g9-5 is... this is practically starting to look like a mitsu part number HAHAHHA
i wonder what the specs on the proprietary br20g9-5 is... this is practically starting to look like a mitsu part number HAHAHHA