i was not talking about this specific case since i know nothing about it. i am talking about general tuning of the ecu.. sorry if that was unclear. all i am saying is that if the ecu was tuned for more aggresive specs (afr etc..) than he will have a VERY hard time trying to get warrenty work covered.

 

do us all a favor and take your stupidity someplace else....

 

I feel for you Stew. I was/am in the same boat and I am paying out of pocket for my rebuild. I took a different approach though to the situation.

I have an Evo. I took said Evo to the track multiple times. I also increased power to said Evo by ~50hp. Mitsu didn't build me a racecar, they built a good roadcar that I treated as a racecar. By definition I voided my warrantee by not using the car for its intended purpose (i.e. a roadcar with 276hp). At no point in time did I ever think that Mitsu would cover my repairs due to the fact stated above.

I played and now I am paying. I will continue to play and pay because that is my responsibility, not Mitsubishi's.

I am about 10k deep in rebuilding my car and it will be a blast when I get it back.

2.3l stroker $3200
misc parts $1600 (gasket kit, water pump, oil cooler etc.)
cams $300 (used)
Race FMIC $700
UTEC $800
Labor $2100
valve springs/retainers/valves $800
Head porting and cleaning $400

 

BRAVO!!!! i really respect this man!!!! you play you pay, simple as that.

 

I concur with the assessment that the slight lean condition up top was unrelated to the problem with your engine. The plugs in particular look to me as if the a/f was ideal. The rod failure condition is related to rod bolt fatique IMHO.

While I respect you for not asking for hand outs, i do have a lot of resources to help a situation of this nature and I wiosh you had called me so i could have tried to use some of my connections to assit you before your warranty was voided

My statement was not directed to you in particular but rather as a suggestion for anyone else who may find themselves in this situation. Also, given the comment by Vishnu supported IE and your probably joking response I felt a direct resonse was in order.

I am hoping that people who may utilize my products would contact me to at least run the situation by me before they take the car down to the dealer for a warranty voiding nightmare.

 

Well, I'm bringing my opinions around from the vortex again. I don't claim to know much about Evos, but:

- I find it hilarious that people who can't spell the word "warranty" correctly are trying to argue whether or not Stew's should have been voided by Mitsu.

- There are no visible signs of detonation in Stew's photos, and as far as I know mail in ECU flashes do not weaken rod bolts as long as the car is driven properly and not over-revved.

- Regardless of the aftermarket parts, Mitsu still has to prove that they led to the engine failure. It's not as simple as, "He got a reflash, so now the warranty is void."

- People on here are constantly flaming at each other and going off-topic seemingly unprovoked.

Basically, saying that Stew's modifications to his car caused this catastrophic engine failure is on par with VWs warranty denials saying that chipping a car causes the timing belt to break with only 15K miles on the clock. I could care less whether or not honors the warranty, but I do honestly believe that they need to PROVE that aftermarket modifications led to the engine failure.

I have a friend who had his stock Evo spin a rod bearing on the dyno doing a basline run, and Mitsu denied his warranty because his car was on a dyno. He is still trying to fight them legally over the matter. I think that the amount of trouble that Mistubishi goes through to void warranties (browsing enthusiast forums) is ridiculous.

I understand that this is an important thread for all of you on here, but I doubt that anybody whose Evo just ate it this badly wants to deal with the crap that some of you are posting on here.

 

they void for dyno runs?
are you serious?
oh crap,
if my warranty is voided, then hell, I"m going ***** to the wall now!

 

I think IE that you should not put false words in my mouth or attempt to speak for me

especially in your role as #1 Vishnu ball hanger

Just for the record - I have never had to repair anyone's motor on the down low or otherwise to date

To be very honest with you the reliability record of the mail in flashed cars has really come as a suprize to me. This applies to not just mine buty the other comapnies as well.

When you factor in all the mechanical installations and possible failures of parts such as MBC installs, fuel pump installs, cams - abusive driving, racing lack of oil changes and all the other insane BS that the motoring public puts the cars through I am shocked that basically the mail in flashes have had a reliability record just as safe as stock and any cases of failures are few and far between.

The bottom line is that the stock ECU itself contains a very effective self preservation system which makes it almost hard to blow up one of these cars with bad tuning alone.

Properly set up a reflash is very reliable as shown by the thousands of people out there with them.

As for me backing up my product

If there is a faliure I would want to examine the car and my tune and you and others can count on me doing the right thing to correct the situation IF I have made any mistake - which is possible.

Finally - I find your repeated reference to allegded "lean" or dangerous tuning in my product to be quite underhanded and ill advised.

It is funny as the #1 Vishnu ball hanger you take every opportunity to bash and undermine other vendors - when in fact your own Vishnu has been documented to intentionally tune cars - even on 91 octane - to a 12.0 /1 a/f in the mid range of the power band.

Also - it is documented that Vishnu has had more rod failures that Dyno Flash tuned cars .

Thanks for your posionous jabs

 

Legally they can't, but that doesn't stop them. The only reason they found out was because my friend told them that the incident happened on a dyno. See, now maybe some warranty rep at Mitsu is looking at your sig and laughing his *** off.

Wasn't also the company that voided warranties on engine failures after they found out that owners had been autocrossing?

I just don't understand how some of the people working for them can sleep at night.

 

So when a Car mag. like motortrend did the comaprison dyno test Evo vs. the STI, they VOIDED the powertrain warranty of the Evo by performing the dyno test?

Wonder if the testers were aware of that..............lol

No wonder Mitsubishi of America is in trouble........

 

To keep it away from this thread pm me if you want a nice hks turbo.

 

then go to jail and after all is done sale you sole to the devil

 

I second that motion, got to sema.com and follow the steps for the magnusson warranty act. Cosumer protection, federal trade commision, dmv, all are better than a 15000 dollar bill. You could have got a decent used motor for 6 grand or a whole jdm swap for 3800. I don't know if the evo was stock or heavily modded but its always worth a shot.

 

they can't void your warranty just because of a dyno run or for aftermarket parts. They have to prove that it caused the failure. Get a lawyer, a bunch of mechanics to discredit mitsus claim , and follow the steps above and you might have a chance. They do void the warrantys first then you have to fight it like stated above but if you win then the sweet thrill of victory will be that much sweeter.

 

replied in red to all your points